The name of God thread.

[Mystic]

Sure I'll explain what I am doing: I am reading the whole text including those that are not very loving and not just parts I want to be true and also lifting my nose out of Koran and seeing the world around, like three year old kids dying in horrible pain from childhood leukemia and other cancers - that doesn't spell that god is love.

These are special powers only available to non-Muslims.

I went five years with a critical approach.  I know it very well.

[brewer]

Sure I'll explain what I am doing: I am reading the whole text including those that are not very loving and not just parts I want to be true and also lifting my nose out of Koran and seeing the world around, like three year old kids dying in horrible pain from childhood leukemia and other cancers - that doesn't spell that god is love.

So you see a contradiction but rely on mistranslations for that?

Why are the words of god so ignorant and confusing that they can be mistranslated? Or have multiple translations?

A christian lady the other day said that when god told the chosen to kill all of the canaanites what he really meant was that the chosen should give up all their defects of character. WTF!

[Mystic]

So you see a contradiction but rely on mistranslations for that?

Why are the words of god so ignorant and confusing that they can be mistranslated? Or have multiple translations?

A christian lady the other day said that when god told the chosen to kill all of the canaanites what he really meant was that the chosen should give up all their defects of character. WTF!

There is metaphors but in this case, the context in Arabic is needed for much words like the ones derived from wilayah, like Wali, Awliya, Mawla, because all it means really is there is a relationship between the two.  Sometimes it refers to that of love, sometimes alliance, sometimes helper/guardian, sometimes it refers to Authority and sometimes that of leadership and sometimes that of submitting to authority and leadership.

In the context of the verse he mentioned, it definitely refers to authorities and in particular, it had to do with authority of the religious type, not even of the political here.  The only reason why it's not translated like that is because the issue of the Authority of the leaders of guidance would become obvious to those reading the translations.

[Astreja]

These are special powers only available to non-Muslims.

I went five years with a critical approach.  I know it very well.

And yet you sacrificed that critical approach on the altar of your religion.  Why, MK?  Did you think that returning to your beliefs would somehow solve your real-life problems?  Were you indoctrinated at the mosque?  What happened?

[Mystic]

I went five years with a critical approach.  I know it very well.

And yet you sacrificed that critical approach on the altar of your religion.  Why, MK?  Did you think that returning to your beliefs would somehow solve your real-life problems?  Were you indoctrinated at the mosque?  What happened?

Because God's guidance is the only true guidance possible, without there is no such thing as guidance, which would mean morality and justice are delusions. The true nature of his light and proof is the witness of our time, the name of God that took on form of a human.

[drfuzzy]

And yet you sacrificed that critical approach on the altar of your religion.  Why, MK?  Did you think that returning to your beliefs would somehow solve your real-life problems?  Were you indoctrinated at the mosque?  What happened?

Because God's guidance is the only true guidance possible, without there is no such thing as guidance, which would mean morality and justice are delusions. The true nature of his light and proof is the witness of our time, the name of God that took on form of a human.

uh huh       Somebody drank the whole pitcher of Koolaid and who knows WHAT that stuff was laced with.  

And you even claim that you have provided "proof" for god!  Multiple times! Wow.  
If that were true, we'd be Muslim by now.  
All you have provided are words and fantasies.  

Well, here's one for ya:  God's proof is not words and letters and language either.  It's PROOF.  Measurable, testable, video-able, recordable, replicatable proof.  Facts.  Not fantasies.
So unless you can provide that, all you are doing here is    

[Mystic]

Because God's guidance is the only true guidance possible, without there is no such thing as guidance, which would mean morality and justice are delusions. The true nature of his light and proof is the witness of our time, the name of God that took on form of a human.

uh huh       Somebody drank the whole pitcher of Koolaid and who knows WHAT that stuff was laced with.  

And you even claim that you have provided "proof" for god!  Multiple times!  Wow.  
If that were true, we'd be Muslim by now.  
All you have provided are words and fantasies.  

Well, here's one for ya:  God's proof is not words and letters and language either.  It's PROOF.  Measurable, testable, video-able, recordable, replicatable proof.  Facts.  Not fantasies.
So unless you can provide that, all you are doing here is    

The leader and light of our time is a fact.

[drfuzzy]

uh huh       Somebody drank the whole pitcher of Koolaid and who knows WHAT that stuff was laced with.  

And you even claim that you have provided "proof" for god!  Multiple times!  Wow.  
If that were true, we'd be Muslim by now.  
All you have provided are words and fantasies.  

Well, here's one for ya:  God's proof is not words and letters and language either.  It's PROOF.  Measurable, testable, video-able, recordable, replicatable proof.  Facts.  Not fantasies.
So unless you can provide that, all you are doing here is    

The leader and light of our time is a fact.

??  Which one?  Jehovah?  Jesus?  Ganesh?  Allah?  Mithra?  Ahura-Mazda?  Brahman? Vishnu?  Shiva?  Athena?  Zeus?  Odin?  . . .   Hathor?  KwanYin?    
Gee, none of them even have the ability to prove they exist.  Even a 7-year-old on Twitter can do that.

No, it's not a fact.  Until you can get your imaginary friend to show up in person and say "hi", it's a fantasy.  Enjoy your personal relationship with Spiderman.

[Mystic]

The leader and light of our time is a fact.

??  Which one?  Jehovah?  Jesus?  Ganesh?  Allah?  Mithra?  Ahura-Mazda?  Brahman? Vishnu?  Shiva?  Athena?  Zeus?  Odin?  . . .   Hathor?  KwanYin?    
Gee, none of them even have the ability to prove they exist.  Even a 7-year-old on Twitter can do that.

No, it's not a fact.  Until you can get your imaginary friend to show up in person and say "hi", it's a fantasy.  Enjoy your personal relationship with Spiderman.

The one that is the name of God, the representative, the one by which we know and approach God by.

[Anomalocaris]

uh huh       Somebody drank the whole pitcher of Koolaid and who knows WHAT that stuff was laced with.  

And you even claim that you have provided "proof" for god!  Multiple times!  Wow.  
If that were true, we'd be Muslim by now.  
All you have provided are words and fantasies.  

Well, here's one for ya:  God's proof is not words and letters and language either.  It's PROOF.  Measurable, testable, video-able, recordable, replicatable proof.  Facts.  Not fantasies.
So unless you can provide that, all you are doing here is    

The leader and light of our time is a fact.

Your concept of “fact” is worthless, which makes your opinion of what is fact worthless by default.