The name of God thread.

[drfuzzy]

If it's from a religious text, a story, a personal anecdote, or a daydream about some special light that only "believers" can access but can never prove . . . it's not proof.  It's fantasy, period.

You might as well be asserting that your dog speaks to you in your dreams and tells you the secrets of the universe.  Until we hear that dog speak for ourselves, you're simply delusional.

The nature of goodness is something all humans have access to. There is only one possible way of that to be, and we know God and goodness go together. 

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I've discussed why in in so many arguments and ways, but this is about Quran, not about proving God. This is how Quran proves and reminds of God. Whether you accept it or believe, it's up to you. I am talking about Quran and will make the case for it to be from God.

The Quran and name of God go together, Quran and Ahlulbayt (as) go together, and goodness the heart of it, it's essence, and it's outward designation as well, is the love of the family of the reminder.

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No, this is about you indulging your  obsessive behavior with preaching and superiority. 

You said "I don't think my Doctor would really care." Do you understand that your condition is a thought (thinking) disorder? Try telling your doctor about your activities here. Let them see for themselves by telling them about the forum and find out if they really care. Or do you fear this suggestion?

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My affliction of madness is not by the favor of God, which I fight it and will God willingly defeat it once and for all. The favor of God, and all that perception that comes out of connecting to the beautiful names of God who are the family of the reminder, is a means to defeat all mental illnesses, not a source.

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"The nature of goodness is something all humans have access to."  Agreed.  It's part of being human - a social animal.
"we know God and goodness go together"    Absolutely disagree.  Not only is the existence of any deities unproven and highly unlikely, but all of the descriptions of the Abrahamic "Deity" as described in the religious writings describe a deeply flawed, incompetent, impotent, violent tribal monster.

Before you preach about a god, you need to prove that such a creature exists.  And after you provide that proof, there needs to be some reason for us to care about its existence.

[LadyForCamus]

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What do you mean, "won't listen"?  We're all familiar with what you think is proof; we just don't agree with you.  When you say "won't listen," do you actually mean "won't accept"?

The proof for Islam and Quran, none of you are aware of and you won't bother to become acquainted with it, lest you be guided and have to leave your desires and conjecture concept of the self.  You run away from God's Name and his light and proof, but where are you really going? God's Name is the refuge to God, and his door the path, and his path is the way, and there is misleading ways, yes, those will mix truth with falsehood, good with evil, and mix it all up, but the mixed garbage is evil as well.

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Then tell us of your life outside of the forum. Tell us about your day to day interactions with people around you. 

Do you preach to everyone IRL? Or even preach to the other muslims IRL? Do you insist that you are the only one who really knows the true answers and that they are all ignorant? 

Or is it only on the forum that you get to indulge behavior that would not be accepted IRL society? Behavior that you should be telling your mental health professionals, but I doubt that you actually are.

Forum is a place to discuss these things.  You guys demand evidence and then act irrationally and stubbornly and refuse to listen properly when evidence is presented.

And I believe there is a disconnect in your mind between what you think you’re saying to us and what you’re actually saying.

[Mystic]

So far....the verses discussed are 1:1-7 and 2:1-3.

[LadyForCamus]

So you basically lay the conditions of proof and won't listen to what the proof is.

For the millionth time, you have not provided any proof, or even evidence.  You have engaged over and over in an argument that begs the question.  Your entire position rests upon a fallacy.  If you want your argument to be valid, you will need to address this glaring problem at some point.  Then, you will need supporting, external evidence.

Example of begging the question:

“It says in the Quran that God exists. Since the Quran is God's word, and God never speaks falsely, then everything in the Quran must be true. So, God must exist.”

https://www.thoughtco.com/begging-the-qu...pii-250337


You have offered up nothing but a giant circle that spins ad nauseam. When you have some actual, external evidence to discuss, I’m here.

Well, if you can repeat yourself over and over, so can I.

[Mystic]

For the millionth time, you have not provided any proof, or even evidence.  You have engaged over and over in an argument that begs the question.  Your entire position rests upon a fallacy.  If you want your argument to be valid, you will need to address this glaring problem at some point.  Then, you will need supporting, external evidence.

Example of begging the question: 

“It says in the Quran that God exists. Since the Quran is God's word, and God never speaks falsely, then everything in the Quran must be true. So, God must exist.”

https://www.thoughtco.com/begging-the-qu...pii-250337


You have offered up nothing but a giant circle that spins ad nauseam. When you have some actual, external evidence to discuss, I’m here.

Well, if you can repeat yourself over and over, so can I.

I know, you repeated, I tried to explain it's not circular reasoning the way I'm trying to prove it. So I'm going to stop responding to all the none-sense here, and just address what is addressed at the content directed in the OP. If anyone has any questions pertaining to what is stated and in need clarification, I will clarify.

[Astreja]

So far....the verses discussed are 1:1-7 and 2:1-3.

Yes, those verses exist.

No, they do not prove that your god is anything more than a fiction.

It's. Just. A. Fucking. Book!

[Mystic]

So far....the verses discussed are 1:1-7 and 2:1-3.

Yes, those verses exist.

No, they do not prove that your god is anything more than a fiction.

It's. Just. A. Fucking. Book!

Those are 10 verses. Reflect. Give it time. See what happens.

I can't prove Quran with just 10 verses no.

[Astreja]

Yes, those verses exist.

No, they do not prove that your god is anything more than a fiction.

It's. Just. A. Fucking. Book!

Those are 10 verses. Reflect. Give it time. See what happens.

I can't prove Quran with just 10 verses no.

You can't prove Quran without an actual god that *I* can detect.  Just a book.  Not a god.  Just a story of a petty little Middle Eastern god that pretends to be compassionate while it tortures non-believers.

[LadyForCamus]

Well, if you can repeat yourself over and over, so can I.

I know, you repeated, I tried to explain it's not circular reasoning the way I'm trying to prove it. So I'm going to stop responding to all the none-sense here, and just address what is addressed at the content directed in the OP. If anyone has any questions pertaining to what is stated and in need clarification, I will clarify.

Where did you justify how your argument isn’t begging the question?  What’s the post number? I showed (or proved, if you like 😉) very clearly that it is. So if you’re just going to continue forward with a fallacious argument, then I’m done.  And no, I don’t care care what your book says because you have not provided any valid argument or external evidence in support of its claims.

[Mystic]

I know, you repeated, I tried to explain it's not circular reasoning the way I'm trying to prove it. So I'm going to stop responding to all the none-sense here, and just address what is addressed at the content directed in the OP. If anyone has any questions pertaining to what is stated and in need clarification, I will clarify.

Where did you justify how your argument isn’t begging the question?  What’s the post number? I showed (or proved, if you like 😉) very clearly that it is. So if you’re just going to continue forward with a fallacious argument, then I’m done.  And no, I don’t care care what your book says because you have not provided any valid argument or evidence in support of its claims.

I tried, sorry dear.