Refusing service because of political party.

[A Theist]

I haven't really thought about it, but I'm generally of the opinion that public figures have a right to a private life like everyone else, regardless of how difficult that may be to achieve in practice.

Yes they have a right to a private life, but not the same private life like everyone else. If I go to a public place, I get to remain essentially invisible. No one notices me nor should they. If you choose to put yourself in the position of being a celebrity, you should expect to no longer have the privilege of being invisible in public. If that's going to bother you, choose to work behind the camera instead of in front of it.

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Lets keep in mind something else here. According to the article, "the owner took her aside and requested that she leave. The owner said she thinks that Sanders works for and defends an “inhumane and unethical” administration." Everyone is getting hung up on this being about who someone chooses to vote for. But its actually about who someone chooses to work for. The only reason this is political is because the person in question works for a politician. But its not really discrimination based on political choice because its not about who she chooses to vote for.

No one would bat an eyelash if the owner of a vegan restaurant asked someone to leave after finding out that the person in question owned or worked at a beef slaughter house.

Another part of the incident that wasn't reported is that after Sarah H. Sanders and her family members left the restaurant they went to one across the street. The owner of the Red Hen got people together and followed Sarah across the street to the other restaurant and organized a  heckling protest there...

“In fact, a little known part of this story, is that after Sarah and her husband left and the family relocated to a restaurant across the street, the owner of the Red Hen then organized an effort to go and scream at them from the sidewalk at the other restaurant,” Huckabee claimed in an interview...

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.c...s.amp.html

I'm okay with all of this, though , because it's incidences like these that will come back to bite the Dems in the ass, and we're approaching the midterms.

[robvalue]

The "slippery slope" argument is usually bollocks, but I do think it applies here.

I could refuse service to anyone I like, and cite in my defense that I had reason to believe they had [whatever political views]. If pressed, and it turns out they don't, I can just say it was an honest mistake.

I think the same principle applies as to the non-gay wedding cake baker. If you're not prepared to serve everyone (who is behaving decently and not making unreasonable requests) then you shouldn't go into a business serving the general public.

[Brian37]

Yes they have a right to a private life, but not the same private life like everyone else. If I go to a public place, I get to remain essentially invisible. No one notices me nor should they. If you choose to put yourself in the position of being a celebrity, you should expect to no longer have the privilege of being invisible in public. If that's going to bother you, choose to work behind the camera instead of in front of it.

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Lets keep in mind something else here. According to the article, "the owner took her aside and requested that she leave. The owner said she thinks that Sanders works for and defends an “inhumane and unethical” administration." Everyone is getting hung up on this being about who someone chooses to vote for. But its actually about who someone chooses to work for. The only reason this is political is because the person in question works for a politician. But its not really discrimination based on political choice because its not about who she chooses to vote for.

No one would bat an eyelash if the owner of a vegan restaurant asked someone to leave after finding out that the person in question owned or worked at a beef slaughter house.

Another part of the incident that wasn't reported is that after Sarah H. Sanders and her fsfami members left the restaurant they went to one across the street. The owner of the Red Hen got people together and followed Sarah across the street to the other restaurant and organized a  heckling protest there...



https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.c...s.amp.html

Awe poor baby. Yea and? If she didn't support a vile asshole who has spent years vilifying innocent people, she wouldn't have to worry about people calling her out. 

You are fucking ignorant to our history. The backlash doesn't make her a victim. SHE IS NOT THE VICTIM. 

Blacks being slaves were victims. Blacks being lynched were victims. Blacks being forced to use separate bathrooms and water fountains were victims. Native Americans were victims. Chinese railroad workers whom connected the East Coast to the West Coast were wrongfully vilified. The Irish of New York city were once wrongfully vilified "Hell's Kitchen".  LGBT were and still face bigotry. 

Those rallying to prevent a backslide into prior dark days are not the bullies. 

If you don't want a pluralistic society, go visit North Korea or Saudi Arabia or Iran. That is what monocrhomatic states look like.


If you value pluralism, then you stand up to asshole bullies like 45. But do not expect me to shed one tear for someone who supports sick fuck who uses political scapegoating. If she wants to help, she can do so right now by telling him to stop being a fucking dick to innocent people.

[GODZILLA]

I think it's wrong and I cannot stand Trump and his band of cocksnots. This was a strategy of communists in Russia. To demonize those who didn't fit the same political views. I am actually disgusted with what this country has become. People shop at places, eat at places solely because of their political beliefs. This is a form of balkanization, and for thus of us in the Psychology and Sociology field this is very toxic for society. The CEO of Home depot supported Trump and even donated to his campaign, but hell, i still shop there. Why? Because I like their fucking products. Unless a company is literally sacrificing human beings, I don't see a reason to boycott them or some sort of shit like that.

[johan]

The "slippery slope" argument is usually bollocks, but I do think it applies here.

I could refuse service to anyone I like, and cite in my defense that I had reason to believe they had [whatever political views]. If pressed, and it turns out they don't, I can just say it was an honest mistake.

You can now, and always could, refuse to serve someone simply because you don't like them. I think you're a jerk, get out of my shop. Perfectly legal. So this changes nothing as far as slippery slopes go.

[robvalue]

The "slippery slope" argument is usually bollocks, but I do think it applies here.

I could refuse service to anyone I like, and cite in my defense that I had reason to believe they had [whatever political views]. If pressed, and it turns out they don't, I can just say it was an honest mistake.

You can now, and always could, refuse to serve someone simply because you don't like them. I think you're a jerk, get out of my shop. Perfectly legal. So this changes nothing as far as slippery slopes go.

Sure, in that case I don't think things should be that way. The cake guy can just say he doesn't like the gay couple, telling them to get out. This nullifies the whole idea of protected groups.

[The Industrial Atheist]

Not accepting bigotry is not intolerance. But, I think the way to fight anti LGBT and anti immigrant bias is legally and socially. I don't think denying service is a good response, because, yes, there will be a counter response. You might say fine, but, what about liberals that live in red states, where it's going to be hard for them to find a place to eat out?To be clear, I really don't feel sorry for Sanders.

On a side note, it's hilarious that Trump talked about filthy canopies, doors and windows, and it needing a paint job. That buffoon has obviously never been there, nor even seen a picture. Unless the pictures I see are really old. He just flies off at the mouth, like always. His rabid, undying fans, I mean his base, will probably take him at his word like they always do.

[johan]

I think it's wrong and I cannot stand Trump and his band of cocksnots. This was a strategy of communists in Russia. To demonize those who didn't fit the same political views. 

Right. Because no American politician has ever once tried to demonize their opponent.

The CEO of Home depot supported Trump and even donated to his campaign, but hell, i still shop there. Why? Because I like their fucking products. Unless a company is literally sacrificing human beings, I don't see a reason to boycott them or some sort of shit like that.

Goody for you. What's that got to do with me and my choices? Absolutely nothing. If a company or company owner makes it a point to do something I strongly disagree with, I tend to not want to shop there. Nothing wrong with the way you do it, nothing wrong with the way I do it.

[Brian37]

I think it's wrong and I cannot stand Trump and his band of cocksnots. This was a strategy of communists in Russia. To demonize those who didn't fit the same political views. I am actually disgusted with what this country has become. People shop at places, eat at places solely because of their political beliefs. This is a form of balkanization, and for thus of us in the Psychology and Sociology field this is very toxic for society. The CEO of Home depot supported Trump and even donated to his campaign, but hell, i still shop there. Why? Because I like their fucking products. Unless a company is literally sacrificing human beings, I don't see a reason to boycott them or some sort of shit like that.

Any authoritarian state does this, not just the former USSR. North Korea and WW2 Germany all did this.

Our history of mistreatment of minorities is long, but it does contain the same elements of scapegoating and vilification. We are only better because we also have the opportunity to stand up to this brand of politics. It is why we have a better society today than 200 years ago. But today one man is trying to turn back the clock. 

The days of separate lunch counters need to stay in the past. "otherism" is not politics, it is vile. Red Hen did the right thing. Yes we should boycott any company that would coddle such a vile human. If you rightfully call Trump a "cocksnot" then you should understand why his tactics are dangerous, not only to civility, but freedom.

Native Americans, blacks, women and gays all fought and even in many cases died and got arrested to climb to a level of equality. To coddle Sarah's insecurity while she supports a man whom uses the tactics you RIGHTFULLY described above, is not protecting free speech, it is paving a dangerous road and normalizing him.

He is not a private citizen, he cannot behave like Jerry Springer or Rush Limbaugh or Bill Marher in office. It is his roll to be a diplomat, it is not the same roll a private citizen has in being the critic or blasphemer of government. 

No President in my 51 years, Republican or Democrat has ever behaved on a daily basis in such a vile manor. 

NOBODY should put up with a western leader who uses scapegoating and vilifying not only entire races and religions and nationalities, but whom has also vilified political rivals even within his own party, one who vilifies the watchdog press and even his own intel.

YES Red Hen did the right thing, and thank you for pointing out Home Shitpo, I will be avoiding them as well.

[johan]

You can now, and always could, refuse to serve someone simply because you don't like them. I think you're a jerk, get out of my shop. Perfectly legal. So this changes nothing as far as slippery slopes go.

Sure, in that case I don't think things should be that way. The cake guy can just say he doesn't like the gay couple, telling them to get out. This nullifies the whole idea of protected groups.

It does nothing of the sort. Protecting classes of people does just that, it protects the entire group from being discriminated against based on the class. But you can be a member of a protected class and also be an individual whom I think is an asshole. It is and should be illegal for me to refuse to serve all members of a protected class simply because I think one or more members of that class are assholes. But it is not and should not be illegal for me to refuse to serve any individual I find to be an asshole regardless of what protected class they may also be a member of.