Atheism

[I_am_not_mafia]

[Huggy Bear]

[Amarok]

Of course snowflakes and their formation are a system .And no systems don't need a purpose .Self assembly as a result of physics is systematic and there is no reason to believe it serves a purpose .That's you inserting your religious presuppositions without merit .

If we were so badly designed then according to evolution we would have died off...

And your ignorance of evolutionary biology on full display

[I_am_not_mafia]

I didn't realize smowflakes were considered systems.

I am glad to have educated you then.

Crystals are known to be self-organising systems.

Systems are made up of parts that form a complex whole, and generally have an overall purpose.

Having an overall purpose is not a requirement for something to be a system.

Therefore if you claim that "Virtually everything that exists in the world is either a system or part of a system." then you imply that virtually everything has an overall purpose.

Ergo designer.

Everything that you can point to that has been intelligently designed has come about because of a self-organising system (i.e. the brain, it's neurons, their synapses and their dendrites, all of which self-organise) and is part of a larger self-organising system (e.g. a society, economy, population etc). Self-organisation has no purpose. It is merely the process whereby a collection of components settle into a stable state to minimise free-energy.

All known forms of intelligent design are an epiphenomenon of an undirected, self-organising process.

This all happens because of the ubiquitous laws of Thermodynamics. If there is any 'purpose' then it is to maximise entropy.

How does it feel to find out that your entire purpose in life is to be a Maximum Entropy Production Unit?

[robvalue]

If you could design not only the life forms but the rules of reality that they live in, would you decide to have them excrete smelly and toxic shit? Considering God could presumably just not do that, and have everything else the same, he essentially chose it to be there.

I wonder if there's an arbitrary restriction that explains this? Or just "fuck you that's why"? Or a problem he created so he could overcome it? Was he that desperate to make his work look like the result of mindless natural processes?

[Cyberman]

Free will. Jesus. Etc.

[Simon Moon]

[robvalue]

That's interesting, I didn't know I go to atheist churches.

[Mister Agenda]

This is for those who always assert atheism is something it isn't.

Wrong buddy.

The 'ism' in atheism denotes a system.

Therefore atheism literally means a system based on the non existence of God.

You cannot have an ideology without making any assertions.

The 'ism' in atheism (and theism) denotes a condition. The condition of not having a belief in any deities (and the condition of having such a belief). Like albinism, bipedalism, heroism, metabolism, multilingualism, plagiarism, etc.

[I_am_not_mafia]

That's interesting, I didn't know I go to atheist churches.

Same here. Life became easier though once I started writing my name and address on the back of my hand.