Battle of Vukovar

[Amarok]

..............................no.

So, don't you think that is how the adherents of the Christ-myth theory (that a person named Jesus never actually existed) sound like to Christians?

Yes but only because their ignorant the two things could be more different . No matter hows you try an conflate the two.

[FlatAssembler]

is linking revisionist propaganda .

24sata is not a revisionist propaganda website, it's one of the most respected (if not the most respected) Croatian news agencies. If we, Vukovar revisionists, are getting a voice there, perhaps we deserve some respect.

Idiot.

Tuum id dicere, id non facit. (Bilingual pun intended)

Everything is doubted. You are like a Flat Earther.

Well, I used to be a Flat-Earther... because I was bombarded by the conspiracy theorists with contraversial statements I didn't know how to evaluate. I thought that, if I understand their arguments and I can't prove them wrong, then the most honest thing I could do is to believe they are right. That was, of course, a wrong thing to do.
But, from my perspective, believing the mainstream history is no different. It also bombards me with controversial statements I don't know how to evaluate. How do I evaluate the claim that Slobodan Milosevic existed? How do I evaluate the claim that there were so many Serbs hating Croats? And so on...
The science should be testable and repeatable. Mainstream history doesn't appear to be. It appears to be mostly using the unknown to explain the unknown.

Yes but only because their ignorant the two things could be more different . No matter hows you try an conflate the two.

Can you elaborate on that?

[The Grand Nudger]

..............................no.

So, don't you think that is how the adherents of the Christ-myth theory (that a person named Jesus never actually existed) sound like to Christians?

.................no.

[Minimalist]

..............................no.

So, don't you think that is how the adherents of the Christ-myth theory (that a person named Jesus never actually existed) sound like to Christians?

I don't really care how it sounds to xhristards.  They are the ones who elect to believe, without any evidence, that their godboy really existed.  The battle really happened.  We have evidence of it.

See the difference with fucking jesus?

[The Grand Nudger]

I still don't understand why this nubbin...if he has any interest in the conflict at all, isn't asking me questions.  I was an active participant.

Not exactly an issue of "i heard from a guy who heard from a guy who heard a guy who wrote a magic book twelve hundred years ago" kind of situation.

[FlatAssembler]

I was an active participant.

Maybe. Though what you did is not explaining me where the evidence is, but explaining away the apparent lack of evidence. That's not quite meeting the burden of proof. Where can I buy a bomb to prove myself that those things actually exist? If I can't do that easily, where can I find an explanation of how bombs work from a thermodynamic point of view (since they, as I explained earlier, appear to contradict the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics). And I am currently studying at the university of Osijek. Osijek allegedly also got quite destroyed at the same time as Vukovar. How come I don't see any damaged buildings? Was it also reconstructed by NATO, like you claim Vukovar was? Where can I find evidence of that? If the event is not mythological, how come do the names of people and places, such as Ovcara (=sheep's blood), Mesic (=meat-eater), Tudman (=foreign ruler), Vucic (=little wolf), Branimir Glavas (=the main peace-protector) and perhaps even Slobodan Milosevic (=one to whom freedom is dear), appear symbolic? And so on...
The real knowledge is one that is independent of the experience. If something can't be known except by experience, it can't really be known. If the way you know God exists is that you experienced it, then you don't really know he exists. And if you can't know that Vukovar happened in a way that's independent of experience, then you don't really know Vukovar happened.
And so the hundreds that were punished for the crimes they did in Vukovar (if they actually were, I don't think it can be really proven that those people even existed), that was unjust, because they were punished for the crime that we cannot truly know they commited.

[FlatAssembler]

Actually, I haven't thought about this before, is the name "Tudman" more likely to come from the Croatian phrase meaning "foreign ruler" or from the Hungarian word meaning "philosopher"? What do you think?

[The Grand Nudger]

Look, I am a Croat, so I am certainly not supporting genocides of the Croats. I am simply wondering, if they actually happened, where is the evidence?

You mean, other than the testimony of participants, combat footage, tons of uo recovered, dead bodies, tens of thousands expelled, continuing casualties, immense cost, alteration of national borders, and war crimes verdicts...........................?

I was an active participant.

Maybe. Though what you did is not explaining me where the evidence is, but explaining away the apparent lack of evidence. That's not quite meeting the burden of proof. Where can I buy a bomb to prove myself that those things actually exist? If I can't do that easily, where can I find an explanation of how bombs work from a thermodynamic point of view (since they, as I explained earlier, appear to contradict the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics). And I am currently studying at the university of Osijek. Osijek allegedly also got quite destroyed at the same time as Vukovar. How come I don't see any damaged buildings? Was it also reconstructed by NATO, like you claim Vukovar was? Where can I find evidence of that? If the event is not mythological, how come do the names of people and places, such as Ovcara (=sheep's blood), Mesic (=meat-eater), Tudman (=foreign ruler), Vucic (=little wolf), Branimir Glavas (=the main peace-protector) and perhaps even Slobodan Milosevic (=one to whom freedom is dear), appear symbolic? And so on...
The real knowledge is one that is independent of the experience. If something can't be known except by experience, it can't really be known. If the way you know God exists is that you experienced it, then you don't really know he exists. And if you can't know that Vukovar happened in a way that's independent of experience, then you don't really know Vukovar happened.
And so the hundreds that were punished for the crimes they did in Vukovar (if they actually were, I don't think it can be really proven that those people even existed), that was unjust, because they were punished for the crime that we cannot truly know they commited.

Nothing has changed since you last asked the question and had it answered..other than that it took you months to come up with your batshit theory of how things don't happen....because names mean things. Good fuckin job on that one, I can see how much effort it must have taken. Time well spent, amiright?

[FlatAssembler]

It didn't take me that much effort to come up with the theory that the Battle of Vukovar didn't happen because the names appear symbolic (for example, that a foreign ruler is actually named "foreign ruler", or a cruel person named "meat-eater"), when the Christ-myth theory is based on the same premise (that the person Jesus resurrected from the dead is called Lazarus or "God has raised me", or that a person whom devil brought into temptation is called Job, which appears to share the same root as the Hebrew word for temptation). Or do you think that is somehow different? If so, how? I am pretty sure those two theories sound the same to the Christians.

[Deesse23]

Association fallacy