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RE: Massacre of the Innocents
July 24, 2018 at 7:15 pm
Herod is one of the few people in history about whom we have no information except that written by his enemies. Nero and Caligula immediately spring to mind as two others.
The fact that there were no popular revolts against him and the country was generally quite prosperous as a result of Herod's building activities suggests that in spite of what the fucking priests and their hangers-on wrote the populace liked him.
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RE: Massacre of the Innocents
July 25, 2018 at 5:01 am
(July 24, 2018 at 7:15 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Herod is one of the few people in history about whom we have no information except that written by his enemies. Nero and Caligula immediately spring to mind as two others.
The fact that there were no popular revolts against him and the country was generally quite prosperous as a result of Herod's building activities suggests that in spite of what the fucking priests and their hangers-on wrote the populace liked him.
There were no popular revolts against Stalin. Neither were any against Hitler (in Germany).
I liked the parts where these old yahoodies tolchock each other and then drink their Hebrew vino, and getting onto the bed with their wives' handmaidens.
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RE: Massacre of the Innocents
July 25, 2018 at 9:51 am
(July 24, 2018 at 4:48 pm)JairCrawford Wrote: (July 24, 2018 at 4:08 pm)Minimalist Wrote: In Israel they do not seem to hold with the "wandering" shit. Professor Israel Finkelstein notes that they regard the episode as 38+ years spent at the oasis of Kadesh Barnea. After the six day war his colleague, Amihai Mazar, excavated at Kadesh Barnea and found nothing. No sign of Late Bronze Age habitation by anyone.
Xtians make excuses for that. Archaeologists dismiss the story as bullshit. I'll go with the archaeologists.
Keep in mind I'm referring to a theory that some of the progenitors of Israel/Judah (or even the greater Canaan area) started off as nomadic tribes before settling. Some theorize that the nomadic Semitic tribes could have migrated up from the Arabian peninsula, rather than what is now known as the Sinai region. (Actual mount Sinai could have been a volcano in the Arabian peninsula as well).
Reasons for this theory are primarily that there are passages in the Old Testament that speak of an age of wandering, yet do not mention an exodus at all.
Also there are extra biblical mentions of people like the Shasu nomads (associated with the name YHWH) in an ancient Egyptian papyri as well as a nomadic Apiru people mentioned in the Amarna letters.
None of these arguments seem to be made from an apologist view to me (although I've seen appologists use some of these arguments to try to support their views). In fact the very crux of these theories goes against a literal reading of Exodus.
Plus the Hebrews really liked the number 40, so they slapped it around like ketchup.
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RE: Massacre of the Innocents
July 25, 2018 at 9:56 am
Yeah, I don't know what it was about the number, but it's in a lot of places. The flood was 40 days and nights. Jesus spent 40 days fasting. Bears killed 42 children for calling Elijah bald and telling him to go away. I'd be surprised if the tower of babel wasn't meant to be 40 something high before god supposedly knocked it down.
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RE: Massacre of the Innocents
July 25, 2018 at 10:38 am
(This post was last modified: July 25, 2018 at 10:46 am by robvalue.)
I have heard that the phrase, "40 days and 40 nights" was not meant literally, but just meant "a long time".
PS: I've tried to find a reference for that and can't find one. It was said on Hugo and Jake, and they usually do their homework.
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RE: Massacre of the Innocents
July 25, 2018 at 12:10 pm
Nothing in that fucking book should be taken seriously.
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RE: Massacre of the Innocents
July 25, 2018 at 4:20 pm
(July 25, 2018 at 7:43 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: (July 25, 2018 at 5:01 am)Graufreud Wrote: There were no popular revolts against Stalin. Neither were any against Hitler (in Germany).
Because the populace liked them.
The populace liked and feared them. Like God... you must love and fear God.
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RE: Massacre of the Innocents
July 25, 2018 at 4:24 pm
(July 25, 2018 at 10:38 am)robvalue Wrote: I have heard that the phrase, "40 days and 40 nights" was not meant literally, but just meant "a long time".
PS: I've tried to find a reference for that and can't find one. It was said on Hugo and Jake, and they usually do their homework.
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