Ontological Disproof of God

[Silver]

A mafia game was fused with a troll's thread?

[Lucanus]

Those were the days :p you just gotta be patient!

Okay, I'll try and be patient But you coming along and lynching me I thought might indicate latent longings to play Anyway, another idea, if you're not ready for that, is you could host again? The first game I ever played was yours... #12 - An Admin's Nightmare... and to this day (ie now signing up for game #87 and having had played 42 games since) that has remained incredibly original, what with trolls, and shitposters, and hackers (oh my!) It was a great game... so that might be a way back in, since modding is less stressful than playing

Thing is, I am one exam away from graduation, so I'd rather wait and do everything with a clear head

[emjay]

A mafia game was fused with a troll's thread?

No, no... the theme of the game was about a forum... so Mafia were called Trolls etc... and instead of being 'lynched', people were 'banned' etc, as in keeping in line with the terminology of a forum and the various characters that frequent one

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Okay, I'll try and be patient But you coming along and lynching me I thought might indicate latent longings to play Anyway, another idea, if you're not ready for that, is you could host again? The first game I ever played was yours... #12 - An Admin's Nightmare... and to this day (ie now signing up for game #87 and having had played 42 games since) that has remained incredibly original, what with trolls, and shitposters, and hackers (oh my!) It was a great game... so that might be a way back in, since modding is less stressful than playing

Thing is, I am one exam away from graduation, so I'd rather wait and do everything with a clear head

Fair enough... (arguably ) a career is more important than Mafia Good luck with your exam

[negatio]

This may be because...(Lucanus)

It is so very strange to me that you Americans are so consistently adamant about disallowing Duane to be Duane ! Suddenly, I must become Other than myself in many different ways for many different members ! Impossible. I cannot possibly revert to Lucanus' sweet sophomoric writing style, wherein I would retrogress to the brain-dead 'this' and 'that' style, which, at the level of considerations I am describing, really does leave the reader out in the cold. Bennyboy has already correctly informed everyone that I do not, cannot, think, for instance, like you Lucanus ! That would really require cerebroanastamosis ! Abaddon__ire has kindly imparted good viable counsel, graciously for the sake of my best interest,which I will adopt; and, he has convinced me that I need to do, and I will do, a complete restructuring of the piece; of course keeping in mind Luanus' fine advice that I do my best to conduct myself informally, while attempting to impart the meaning and significance of some very very difficult notions. Don't you guys realize I have precisely been attempting to do precisely so for a very very long time now; --- to reduce all this heavy shit into plain ordinary language. I cannot do it. I have not done it. I think it is because I have crawled up out of the cave into the light and have been so long dazzled by the light that, unfortunately, blinded, I have forgotten and lost the language requisite to,and efficient for,communicating with other, informal, beautiful persons...Perhaps with your ongoing help I can do so.
You have all precisely understood what I said in my last post, via the language which I used and, yet, you absolutely insist in making me over into some other, alien, preferred image, which is a severely dummed-down Duane, and, that, I cannot, will not, swallow...but I may, though I think in vain, try...

[The Grand Nudger]

If you want to talk to yourself, no worries.  If you want to communicate to others..you might need to work on it.  

In any case, as far as god being too dumb to be god;

I'd say that's good as an argument as far as it goes.  If some ontological claim precludes incompetence, but the reality on the ground demonstrates incompetence...then the ontological claim is in error...at least.  I think that if you added up enough of these negations of specific claims it would amount to a strong case against specific gods, assuming they were all sound.  

I don't know that I'd hang my hat on Sartre, though, if I wanted to draw some comment on human determination and how that relates to the ontological status of divinity. It's not going to take a particularly clever apologist to knock this one down. At the bottom of the rabbit hole of arguments a person might field to maintain the ontological claim......there's always the hilarious fact that this argument poses no threat to a bumbling or inept god - of which there have been many. Even a christian apologist, if pressed, can concede that god might have made the odd mistake here and there....and then vomit up chapter and verse to "prove" it.

So, in summary, meh..... far too many words to promise so much and deliver so little?

[negatio]

god being too dumb to be god

It is not enough to merely say god is dumb and therefore not god. Rather, one need show precisely what god failed to understand about the way his own creation is put together.

[Lucanus]

This may be because...(Lucanus)

It is so very strange to me that you Americans are so consistently adamant about disallowing Duane to be Duane !

I'm not even American though, lol

Suddenly, I must become Other than myself in many different ways for many different members ! Impossible. I cannot possibly revert to Lucanus' sweet sophomoric writing style, wherein I would retrogress to the brain-dead 'this' and 'that' style, which, at the level of considerations I am describing, really does leave the reader out in the cold.

Oh no! Demonstrative pronouns! The horror! Truly a poison for the mind

Bennyboy has already correctly informed everyone that I do not, cannot, think, for instance, like you Lucanus ! That would really require cerebroanastamosis !

"Cerebroanastomosis". With an "o". If even it existed. Which it doesn't. You just like to stroke your e-peen with big words you don't even know the meaning of, and imitating the syntax of long dead people.

Abaddon__ire has kindly imparted good viable counsel, graciously for the sake of my best interest,which I will adopt; and, he has convinced me that I need to do, and I will do, a complete restructuring of the piece; of course keeping in mind Luanus' fine advice that I do my best to conduct myself informally, while attempting to impart the meaning and significance of some very very difficult notions. Don't you guys realize I have precisely been attempting to do precisely so for a very very long time now; --- to reduce all this heavy shit into plain ordinary language. I cannot do it. I have not done it. I think it is because I have crawled up out of the cave into the light and have been so long dazzled by the light that, unfortunately, blinded, I have forgotten and lost the language requisite to,and efficient for,communicating with other, informal, beautiful persons...Perhaps with your ongoing help I can do so.

And I truly hope you eventually do, but in the meantime, try to be less of a pompous asshole, please?

You have all precisely understood what I said in my last post, via the language which I used and, yet, you absolutely insist in making me over into some other, alien, preferred image, which is a severely dummed-down Duane, and, that, I cannot, will not, swallow...but I may, though I think in vain, try...

In my last post I was merely demonstrating how easy it is to express the same concept in a simple way. Again, this is not an academic venue: I don't care about the philosophical jargon, I'm a biologist. I simply want to understand what you are saying, and it pains me to no end when I see how much your "semanticalities" (to quote Xavier:Renegade Angel) hold you back.

[negatio]

pompous asshole

you preach net etiquette and then undergo an apoptosis of brain cellular structure, whereby you stoop to curse me out in an unconscious troll, whereby you wreak discord between we two members, by radically insulting me. Sure, my particular ilk of language is jargon...another trolly insult. Yea, you are going to teach me to write properly, after your own purportedly simplistic simpleton fashion, thus raising my dignity by reducing me to a fellow simple fellow !

[emjay]

I have to say negatio, your writing style's starting to grow on me. You may not know who I'm talking about but you're starting to remind me of Sir Humphrey Appleby... a particularly verbose character from the BBC comedy Yes Minister. There's something strangely endearing in that, and in your writing, though I do feel like I've either travelled back in time a few hundred years, or I'm talking with an Oxford college professor straight out of Inspector Morse So yeah, you write however you wanna write but you just have to be aware of the concepts of tl;dr (too long, didn't read) and the 'shit and run'. The latter of which is when someone, usually a theist or troll, dumps a massive wall of text, often copy-pasted from elsewhere, in a thread to preach, and then is never heard from again. So since that happens a lot on this site, I hope you can understand why people are often wary of wall dumps, especially by new users, and maybe assume the worst. You're still here so it doesn't look like you're a shit and runner, so maybe it's just a case of us all getting off on the wrong foot.

[negatio]

You just like to stroke your e-peen with big words you don't even know the meaning of, and imitating the syntax of long dead people.

Since age thirteen I have spent sixty years reading philosophical writing that takes years and years to understand, and, I thought others relished the same process of encountering a written text which is seemingly unintelligible, and, after tremendous effort, coming to find that it is an absolutely beautiful ilk of thought poetry which transforms you being; nevertheless, you prefer nothing more that a simplistic homeostasis...wow, that is really living ! Your above quote is stupidly childish, yea, sure, I don't know the meaning of anything.. never having realized an original idea...too bad you are too torpid and simple to even begin to follow my notion of jurisprudential illusion, for the sake of uplifting your personal ontological freedom. The more I encounter nasty little jerks like you the more I realize how many fools this site suffers !

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There's something strangely endearing in that, and in your writing

emjay Your post is radically beautifully written. Yes I met a person one time who came over to by house to sell me a computer, and after hearing me talk for a bit told me about a television program where the people talked like me, he absolutely loves that ilk speech, it is so high-handed and natural for the persons he is telling me about that it is totally totally funny and delightful...I think sometimes my high-fallutin fancy pants mode of phrasing can really, occasionally, exhibit a poetic meter, which is truly beautiful...It is a pleasure to meet someone who does not mind just letting me be the weird fuck with a superior IQ who speaks differently that the vast majority of persons...its a blast for some of the people one meets to hear speech alike the stuff they saw on TV, in real life ! Maybe someday I could really become a straight-up plainspoken guy, like Pinochio wanted to someday realize being a real boy !