Are there any Christian proselytizers left in this subforum?

[Fireball]

[checks bottom of shoe]   Huggy and drich ewwww.

[Minimalist]

If your belief system requires apologetics then it is fundamentally flawed.

I always found it interesting that the term is 'apologetics'.  It's essentially saying from the outset "I'm sorry to waste your time with this dumb shit."

No, it's more like.... "my god is so fucking stupid that I have to tell you what he meant."

These xhristards are not big on the humility shit!

[Jehanne]

I'm here almost everyday.I just pick and choose what I respond to. I try and deal with questions and not statements. I found if you are declaring something you mind is already closed. you are just telling people what you think. Honestly I don't care what most of you think. how ever if you have a question or series of questions I will answer them.

Hi Drich, Glad that you jumped in!  I don't have any questions, other than wondering why you continue to believe in any of this stuff?

[Minimalist]

He was brainwashed as a child and never grew out of it.

[Fireball]

He was brainwashed as a child and never grew out of it.

The brainwashing firehose he received removed everything but part of the cerebellum and the entire medulla oblongata. Else he'd be dead...er.

[Drich]

There used to be a (somewhat famous) Presbyterian minister out here, (California) who was *the* best "sermon-giver / speaker / preacher" ... ever.
Seriously. He was as far from a fundamentalist as one could get. His sermons were literary masterpieces, (and he knew it).
People would go listen, not necessarily for the content, or the service, but just to hear his amazing "style", and always "interesting" point.
He never "shoved" anything down their throats. Once you've been exposed to that level of quality "talk" or "lecture" .... nothing ever will measure up.
Too bad, virtually 99.9 % of preaching is crap "oratory".

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I'm here almost everyday.I just pick and choose what I respond to. I try and deal with questions and not statements. I found if you are declaring something you mind is already closed. you are just telling people what you think. Honestly I don't care what most of you think. how ever if you have a question or series of questions I will answer them.

Oh look. It's still here.
Actually we know more about your cult than you do.
One cannot actually be a "Bible Based Christian" ... as the concept of "salvation" has *nothing* to do with the Bible.
The role of a messiah was *never* to save anyone from sin.
Paulianity (what Christianity really is) invented *salvation* when the end-times did not happen, as they all expected it would.
When the young man in Matthew asked Jesus what he had to do to get to heaven, did he say "Just wait, I'ma gonna be saving you ?"
No. He said "keep the commandments". No savior required.

OMG he figured it all out!! what's more it all makes sense!!!


Sorry douche, seems like the only thing you know is what others before you have already said, and failed to convince people of.

One cannot actually be a "Bible Based Christian" ... as the concept of "salvation" has *nothing* to do with the Bible.

actually it does. Starts off in the Old Testament in the book of isaha which is a book of prophesy that mentions the plan of salvation christ and how it is to be carried out. Then it is peppered through the Gospels Jesus mentions it 1/2 dozen times and it is mentioned about 30 more times throughout the NT...

 Ready to fail even harder? here we go.

The role of a messiah was *never* to save anyone from sin.

dumbest thing any of you has ever said... the word literally translates "SAVIOR"
Dictionary



mes·si·ah
məˈsīə/
noun

1. 1.
   the promised deliverer of the Jewish nation prophesied in the Hebrew Bible.
   
   
   
2. 2.
   a leader or savior of a particular group or cause.
   "he was regarded as a messiah by liberal and conservatives alike"
   
   

Paulianity (what Christianity really is) invented *salvation* when the end-times did not happen, as they all expected it would.

let's see what Jesus himself has to say...
john 11: 23 Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.”
24 Martha answered, “I know he will rise again. This will happen when people are raised from the dead on the last day.”
25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Anyone who believes in me will live, even if they die. 26 And whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”
27 “Yes, Lord,” she replied. “I believe that you are the Messiah, the Son of God. I believe that you are the one who is supposed to come into the world.”

and of course john 3 which is a big fat nail in your statement's coffin:
There was a Pharisee named Nicodemus. He was one of the Jewish rulers. 2 He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. We know that God is with you. If he weren’t, you couldn’t do the signs you are doing.”

3 Jesus replied, “What I’m about to tell you is true. No one can see God’s kingdom unless they are born again.”

4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “They can’t go back inside their mother! They can’t be born a second time!”

5 Jesus answered, “What I’m about to tell you is true. No one can enter God’s kingdom unless they are born with water and the Holy Spirit. 6 People give birth to people. But the Spirit gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised when I say, ‘You must all be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wants to. You hear the sound it makes. But you can’t tell where it comes from or where it is going. It is the same with everyone who is born with the Spirit.”

9 “How can this be?” Nicodemus asked.

10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus. “Don’t you understand these things? 11 What I’m about to tell you is true. We speak about what we know. We are witnesses about what we have seen. But still you people do not accept what we say. 12 I have spoken to you about earthly things, and you do not believe. So how will you believe if I speak about heavenly things? 13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven. He is the Son of Man. 14 Moses lifted up the snake in the desert. In the same way, the Son of Man must also be lifted up. 15 Then everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”
16 God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son. Anyone who believes in him will not die but will have eternal life. 17 God did not send his Son into the world to judge the world. He sent his Son to save the world through him. 18 Anyone who believes in him is not judged. But anyone who does not believe is judged already. They have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 Here is the judgment. Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light. They loved darkness because what they did was evil. 20 Everyone who does evil deeds hates the light. They will not come into the light. They are afraid that what they do will be seen. 21 But anyone who lives by the truth comes into the light. They live by the truth with God’s help. They come into the light so that it will be easy to see their good deeds.

Everything we teach about salvation come from here... How then could paul have created it... Maybe Paul simply taught what Jesus taught and expounded on the grey areas the people in his churches were seeking out.

When the young man in Matthew asked Jesus what he had to do to get to heaven, did he say "Just wait, I'ma gonna be saving you ?"
No. He said "keep the commandments". No savior required.

He did not asked to goto heaven, he asked for eternal life. Jesus had no other recourse to tell him to live by the law, as the sacrifice of final atonement had not been made. while Christ was alive everyone was still under the old covenant, even after he rose it was several days before Christ made his new covenant. Until the new covenant was in place the only way to eternal life was through the law. which does not happen till act chapter 2.

What.. that's all you got?

Those were pretty big sunday elementary school level fails.. maybe it's good you only put out one or two fails at a time, so you can process the truth and not keep making the same sunday school mistakes over and over again!

[John V]

Personally I've decided to quit casting pearls before swine, so I'm staying out of the religion section except for the occasional atheist who isn't completely hostile, like LfC.

[Drich]

I'm here almost everyday.I just pick and choose what I respond to. I try and deal with questions and not statements. I found if you are declaring something you mind is already closed. you are just telling people what you think. Honestly I don't care what most of you think. how ever if you have a question or series of questions I will answer them.

Hi Drich, Glad that you jumped in!  I don't have any questions, other than wondering why you continue to believe in any of this stuff?

I have, and continue to have a one on one relationship with God. My life is not a faith thing.. it's a know/sat in the car and spoke to an angel thing. he laid out my life and I lived a miracle a day since.

I experience Hell and the regret of not knowing the truth, the feeling of despair when one ponders is "if I had only known the truth would I have been different", and I don't want anyone to experience what I did and not know what if... what if I knew the truth. When you are roasting I want you to know I was exposed to the truth and I did not change. (believe me it helps come to terms faster.) or maybe one or two of you will skip the experience all together.

Three I do live a privileged life as a servant/slave of God. I live better than I ever could have if left to my own efforts. everything I do is blessed and grows, again not because of my efforts but because God has placed me in charge of this life.

Honestly I am no better than any of you by pop morality standards. And there is no real trade off when you consider happy and contentment are what we all really want despite the paths we take. Most assume it take sin and evil to be happy or to be content. in truth that is the path to infinite hunger and dissatisfaction. while living under God is the true freedom. freedom from the law, freedom from sin and shame and freedom to use God's resources and not be dependant on yours. Not that everyone becomes a millionaire, but whatever you have you will be completely happy with/truly don't want anything else.

[Foxaèr]

I suppose we'll be seeing more of Drich since TTA is closing. YAY?

[Drich]

I'm here almost everyday.I just pick and choose what I respond to. I try and deal with questions and not statements. I found if you are declaring something you mind is already closed. you are just telling people what you think. Honestly I don't care what most of you think. how ever if you have a question or series of questions I will answer them.

Right back at you.  

I'm still praying for you to find your way out of the devil's hands and into the light.  

RAmen.

Can't help any of you if I'm not willing to fall into the devils hands with you. I'll be alright here so long as I stay on task.

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He was brainwashed as a child and never grew out of it.

didn't start as a christian moron. wasn't a christian till my 20s. spent 1/2 my life like you. in anger and delusion.

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I suppose we'll be seeing more of Drich since TTA is closing.  YAY?

Christian forums actually. 

The only thing worse than talking to you guys about jesus is trying to straighten out those guys..