Evidence for a god. Do you have any ?

[Angelina]

Angelina - there is nothing I can say to you.
Your mind is closed. You have a set belief and I doubt nothing will change that.

I can't explain to you in simple terms why the sky is blue or how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

The universe exists.
The energy of the universe, I would say, has always existed. Where would it go ?

How can it not exist ?

I am going to guess and say you believe the universe is so complex, it must have a creator.

Which is more complex, the universe or a god ?

I will again guess, that you will say god.

Then I would say "God is so complex, that he must have a creator. He couldn't just come from out of thin air. He must be created."

Nature is very complex.
Just because you don't understand it, isn't a good reason to believe in a god.

I agree with you that the energy of the universe has always existed, but in order for that energy to create anything, God is required.  I believe that that we are so complex, we require a creator, not just the universe itself. God is an eternal self existing being with no beginning or end. I understand nature perfectly well.

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I just stated that you would have to assume they "may" have been, and it is not a leap. The vast majority of the world are creationists, and that is because everything we have on this planet and all life here, are more easily explained with an intelligent creator involved.

Why would have to assume they 'may' have been, that's nonsense, really it is.  It does not matter what the majority of the world is or believes, only what we can reasonably prove, if numbers were true then would Islam be more true when it inevitably overtakes christianity as the worlds foremost religion ?

If you will concede to the likelihood of alien of higher intelligence, why not concede to the likihood of God? What is it about God that bothers you?

Not one thing about being human seems like it could have just occured by random chance.

Why do you say that , feelings ?

Not just feelings, although obviously we are not zombies. Self awareness, eyesight, hearing, thinking,  all of it is not explainable in my mind just by random chance.

I have read all about evolution, and it explains practically nothing, and definitely nothing I was referring to.

The way you characterise it makes me think you have not understood it. Evolution fits the world we see around us much more closely than any creation myth.

I understand evolution very well, and I understand that it explains practically nothing. What do you think it explains exactly? It is just natural selection and that gives absolutely no explanation for how even one thing in the world or in the human body exists.

We grow enough food each year to feed the whole world 1.5 times over. 10 Billion people can be fed by what is currently grown each year. There should be no starving people in the world, but it does require money and action to get the food to those people, and as Christians we are doing everything we can to get this accomplished

Clearly you cannot simultaneously have a country with so many claimed christians doing everything they can, while at the same time having most the wealth in the world, that is the most ridiculous claim I have heard. It is more accurate to say christians, along with Muslims, atheists, humanists (add any religion you want) are doing something.

Not anywhere near as much as Christians are doing.

What you should ask yourself is, why aren't the other people in the world doing just as much as the Christians? If they were, we would have no starving people.

What makes you think they are not? So far you have boldly claimed this yet given no reason for it.
And if god kept his promise there would certainly be no starving christians.

What makes me think they're not? They are not even coming close. Christians are helping people in so many different ways all over the world. No group compares.

The passage you quoted was Jesus speaking to people who were specifically instructed, as you quoted "to first seek the kingdom of God and His Righteousness, and all these things will be added unto you" Christians are also going on missions all over the world, trying to encourage every single person to accept His gift of Salvation, but not everyone is receptive.

What has that to do with god's promise to feed and clothe those who seek first his kingdom? are you suggesting that those christians in countries where their children (and themselves) starve to death are co-incidently those who are not real christians ?

Is it a promise of god, or is it not ?

Why do christians who claim that their god made the whole universe appear out of nothing (note it's theists who do that, not atheists), then ask us to believe god then cannot keep his promise because he's been incompetence enough to entrust this promise to people he must have foreknown will not deliver ?  All your reply tells me is no god is exactly the same and indistinguishable from your god.

Starvation is not really a problem among Christians. Christians feed the hungry amongst them, shelter the homeless, visit the imprisoned, clothe the needy. I guess you don't know much about us.

[possibletarian]

Not anywhere near as much as Christians are doing.

Have you any evidence this is true, or simply a statement ?

What makes me think they're not? They are not even coming close. Christians are helping people in so many different ways all over the world. No group compares.

Where do you get this from? you are simply repeating a claim, but have little to show for it.

Starvation is not really a problem among Christians. Christians feed the hungry amongst them, shelter the homeless, visit the imprisoned, clothe the needy. I guess you don't know much about us.

Some christians do these things, much the same as other groups, Mulsim, humanitarian, (add any religion and r creed) but nothing unique or special, If you claim christians do more than all these groups, then show me. For instance why in the U.S. a country that boasts one of the biggest christian populations in wealthy nations are .17% homeless, and in India .15%, clearly statistics do not agree with you.*

Are you now claiming christians don't starve to death ?

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If you will concede to the likelihood of alien of higher intelligence, why not concede to the likihood of God? What is it about God that bothers you?

I trying to figure out if you deliberately misrepresent things, or you are simply unaware..

There is a difference (and a vast one) in the what is being spoken about, a creature who may (or may not be more intelligent) live on another planet in a vast universe is not the same claim as an all knowing, all powerful, all loving deity who desperately wants us to know him and has the means to make his existence unambiguous for everyone.

You are making an absolute claim that you personally know this god, though can provide zero proof of it's existence, despite this all powerful, all knowing, all loving god wanting me personally to come to know him. and yet.... The idea of a god does not bother me at all but if there is one, can you show that ?

Not just feelings, although obviously we are not zombies. Self awareness, eyesight, hearing, thinking, all of it is not explainable in my mind just by random chance.

What about it seems impossible to you ? The universe really is a mess and very hostile to human life , Life has very nearly been wiped out before on earth we live on a hostile planet and our sun will kill us one day, what is it that seems perfectly created to you ?

I understand evolution very well, and I understand that it explains practically nothing. What do you think it explains exactly? It is just natural selection and that gives absolutely no explanation for how even one thing in the world or in the human body exists.

It explains how humans evolved very well. All the studies we do all the predictions we make fit in with theory. Is there anything about it that you really don't understand.

[Fake Messiah]

You are only pointing to what amounts to a handful of people in Christianity who have mega churches,

I didn't mention megas

mega churches, and those mega churches are all giving 80-90% of their money to charity each year

Lol and you fall for their lies? Is it because they are Christians and therefore you believe "can't lie".

UNICEF is run by a Christian, Henrietta H. Fore who is the executive director and who is also the CEO of the United Nations as well as a member of the Board of Directors of Christianity Today International

UNICEF is not run by one person but guiding and monitoring all of UNICEF's work is done by an Executive Board made up of 36 members. Some of them may be Christians but UNICEF is not a Christian organization.

SHARE is also run by the United Nations whose CEO is a Christian (see above)

Nonsense logic.

Goodwill Omaha CEO Frank McGree was fired in 2016 after a World-Herald investigation revealed that he received between $400,000 and $930,000 annually, while more than 100 workers at his stores made less than minimum wage.

At least he was fired and regulated unlike, let's say, Pope John Paul 2nd who just took 93% of the $75 million per year Mother Theresa was making at her height of her career with her Missionaries of Charity.

[polymath257]

 OKay.

So... To establish a base line for the conversation that is this question/reply.

You are quite happy with both the theory and real life applications of Quantum Mechanics, yes?

You are quite happy with both the theory of and real life detection of Black Holes, yes?

Not at work.

I just want to be *BOOM* in an empty space and there's a rock or anything else that would occupy space.  It doesn't even have to be big.  A cm would be fine, maybe even less.

Just so I can say, "Yep, there's new matter in the form of a rock"  If it's a stick or something else, just switch "rock" with said item.

You do realize that is NOTHING like what the actual Big Bang theory says, right?

And yes, quantum fluctuations, where matter-antimatter pairs are spontaneously produced out of nothing, are a measured phenomenon.

Is that enough for you? if not, why not?

[The Grand Nudger]

Starvation is not really a problem among Christians. Christians feed the hungry amongst them, shelter the homeless, visit the imprisoned, clothe the needy. I guess you don't know much about us.

Hahahahahahah....no.

[T0 Th3 M4X]

I just want to be *BOOM* in an empty space and there's a rock or anything else that would occupy space.  It doesn't even have to be big.  A cm would be fine, maybe even less.

Just so I can say, "Yep, there's new matter in the form of a rock"  If it's a stick or something else, just switch "rock" with said item.

You do realize that is NOTHING like what the actual Big Bang theory says, right?

And yes, quantum fluctuations, where matter-antimatter pairs are spontaneously produced out of nothing, are a measured phenomenon.

Is that enough for you? if not, why not?

Which Big Bang Theory?  There's not just one.

Right, well just show me a small rock pop out of nowhere into something.  I don't care how you do it as long as it's new matter.  A YT video would be great if you have one you can share.

[The Grand Nudger]

No one's going to show you anything that aligns to your idiotic pop rock nonsense, Max.......

Pop rocks are the crocoducks of cosmology, and you should be ashamed, lol.

[Deesse23]

Cant believe anyone is still feeding those fucking ignorant and dishonest trolls, but in some way, some wicked way.....its fascinating.

[T0 Th3 M4X]

No one's going to show you anything that aligns to your idiotic pop rock nonsense, Max.......

Pop rocks are the crocoducks of cosmology, and you should be ashamed, lol.

I didn't say "pop rock" here.  He can show a video of a stick or whatever he chooses.  Just has to *bang* from nothing and then something there.   It can even snap, crackle, or pop, and I would consider it fair.

[Amarok]

So max is continuing his straw man .