Does Quran prove God?

[robvalue]

So god gives me points? And I’m worth that many points to him? That’s great, but it still means nothing outside of god's opinion, which is subjective. And apparently these points don’t mean prizes, if I’m in the wrong religion. It’s all for nothing no matter how great I am to people.

Objective value would be value to [no one]. It makes no sense. Of course I have various different values to different people, and perhaps no value to others.

See what I said about love and recognition. And we already agreed on the perception thing or you are moving back and forth?

Love and recognition need subjects. I can’t be loved and recognised by nothing, neither can some "amount I must be recognised and loved by all" be set.

What did we agree about perception? That also requires a subject, and their value of me will be subjective, god or not. I agree I exist, in a manner of speaking, in other people's VRs; but that doesn’t mean they have to value me.

[Mystic]

I am going to move on. Whenever you are ready, take that leap of faith.

I'm going to move on.

[FatAndFaithless]

Rob, I think you're torturing yourself. You've seen more than anyone how intractable MK is to logic and argument.

[Mystic]

Rob, I think you're torturing yourself.  You've seen more than anyone how intractable MK is to logic and argument.

If you can explain how anything he said in the last post has any relevance to my argument, it would be appreciated.

I read it 3 times... and I think some people here their defense mechanism is to say anything no matter how irrational or irrelevant, as if it will refute the argument.

[Astreja]

Does the Quran prove god?

No.  Absolutely not.  It's a claim that is completely unsupported by external evidence -- in other words, mere fiction.

God has brought a proof to humanity, so whoever holds on to God, will be guided to his path.

No.  There is no evidence for your god; therefore, there is no evidence that your alleged god has ever done anything at all.

How badly indoctrinated were you when you were a child, MK?  Did they scare you into belief by telling you fables of unbelievers being tortured in hell?

For the sake of my own blood pressure I shall refrain from dwelling overlong on what I think should happen to people (of any religion) who do such things to children, but let's just say that a bitch-slapping from reality would be a good place to start.

[robvalue]

Rob, I think you're torturing yourself.  You've seen more than anyone how intractable MK is to logic and argument.

Yeah. I’m okay thanks, somehow I enjoyed it! I’m seeing the doctor soon anyhow

[Astreja]

Whenever you are ready, take that leap of faith.

I have, MK.

I have faith that your god is fictional, and not worth my time.

[Mystic]

Hell is only for those who hate God's proofs and have malice towards the chosen ones after the case has made clear to them.

I always assume a human has not stubbornly resisted the truth and has no malice towards the family of Taha and Yaseen or past chosen Kings and leaders, but is just without power to access the proofs for the truth and it remains unclear to them for no fault of their own.....

While I don't see them as guided to the path and I neither seem as disbelievers, but rather, their trial is not of faith and disbelief. Faith and disbelief is regarding those who the book has come to and the differences from the truth is from those who the book has come to.


But if a person comes with clinging to the evil tree, and opposes and rebels against God and the blessed tree of life and light, then their place is eternal hell.

[Astreja]

I do not worship gods who create hells for anyone, MK.

Stuff Allah up your ass.

[Mystic]

The envious, the oppressors and their helpers and supporters, will be in hell.