Madeiline McCann coverup

[LastPoet]

This is conjecture rob. Unfortunately the investigation got stopped, so in no way you can or anyone can, search for motivations when evidence is lacking.

It is at this time very hard to get further evidence since so many years gone by.

[Jello]

I'll put this about as bluntly as i can put it;

I don't know, and don't think we'll ever really know what happened to her.

What i do know however, is that they should stop spending millions on a case that's never going to go anywhere. There are far more recent cases of child abduction that could do with the money being used properly.

[LastPoet]

I'll put this about as bluntly as i can put it;

I don't know, and don't think we'll ever really know what happened to her.

What i do know however, is that they should stop spending millions on a case that's never going to go anywhere. There are far more recent cases of child abduction that could do with the money being used properly.

Yes, that is why it went a cold case here in portugal. No more evidence. The parents refused to further cooperate with the Portuguese judiciary police so meh.

As criminalists say, the more time it passes on a person disapearance, the less likely it is to be found.

[Seraphina]

I've followed this story over the years in British news outlets since it hasn't been covered here in the US.
The first thing that struck me was that the parents left their very young children alone at a holiday resort while they went to dinner.
What happened to the little girl is an unsolved mystery that likely will remain that way.

I do love a good conspiracy story but in the end, that's what it is - a story. And I see that not just we in the US are prone to conspiracy stories like the Kennedy assassination or the first moon landing. Human nature, I suppose.

Conspiracies of this level also require a substantial number of people to be in on it and never breathe a word about it to anyone, which I just don't find credible in this case.

-Teresa

[Shell B]

Rob is not a conspiracy nut.  OMG.

Grow the fuck up, people.

People? I'm sure it was only Tibs who called him a conspiracy nut, and I think he and rob have known each other for long enough to crack that egg themselves.

[Tiberius]

Rob is not a conspiracy nut.  OMG.

Grow the fuck up, people.

I disagree.

Exhibit A: any of his posts in this thread. He’s not just posting in support of a conspiracy theory, he’s seemingly obsessed by it. That’s a nut in my book.

[Minimalist]

Why worry about 1 dead kid?  In 'Murrica we have piles of bodies every day.

[robvalue]

I'm more worried about the conspiracy surrounding it, and the people who are keeping it from being investigated. There is a clear agenda, with some dark secrets being protected.

It’s astonishing, because as I showed in the police video, the conspiracy hasn’t even been hidden. They are being given unprecendented protection.

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This is conjecture rob. Unfortunately the investigation got stopped, so in no way you can or anyone can, search for motivations when evidence is lacking.

It is at this time very hard to get further evidence since so many years gone by.

Sure yes, I’m working through the case and trying to figure out what are the likeliest scenarios. I find it interesting to do so. It's thinking out loud, feel free to ignore! Maybe something important will emerge. I already have one particular special scenario in mind, I’m going to see how it pans out. I’m cataloguing my thought process.

That latest video series is absolutely astounding. I don’t know who the guy is, but his detective skills are amazing.

I’m now thinking it’s quite possible Kate came up with the abduction story herself on the spot, having returned to find Maddie missing; while unknown to her, Gerry was in the process of hiding her. I’m looking into the idea that he is the "Smith man". This is all incredibly consistent with the evidence, I just need to check a few details. In such a case I have a lot less sympathy for her, because she falsified the abduction story herself. We already know it was falsified, but it wouldn’t have been due to pressure from Gerry.

PS: I’m aware of the irony of referring to conspiracies and having theories about them. It means there can never actually be conspiracies, because conspiracy theories are crazy by definition! Haha, yeah. Obviously the phrase really means unsupported theories. The idea Maddie died is far from unsupported. My current working hypotheses of the whole thing are partially supported, but I don’t expect anyone to take them too seriously.

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I've followed this story over the years in British news outlets since it hasn't been covered here in the US.
The first thing that struck me was that the parents left their very young children alone at a holiday resort while they went to dinner.
What happened to the little girl is an unsolved mystery that likely will remain that way.

I do love a good conspiracy story but in the end, that's what it is - a story. And I see that not just we in the US are prone to conspiracy stories like the Kennedy assassination or the first moon landing. Human nature, I suppose.

Conspiracies of this level also require a substantial number of people to be in on it and never breathe a word about it to anyone, which I just don't find credible in this case.

-Teresa

Yeah, it’s rather ironic that their defence is that they were criminally negligent. I’ve found more evidence which cements just how negligent they were, further than the obvious.

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Rob is not a conspiracy nut.  OMG.

Grow the fuck up, people.

I disagree.

Exhibit A: any of his posts in this thread. He’s not just posting in support of a conspiracy theory, he’s seemingly obsessed by it. That’s a nut in my book.

[robvalue]

This is a summary of the hard evidence that supports the case that Madeleine died while on holiday, as opposed to being abducted.

Sniffer dog alerts

Eddie the cadaver dog is trained to only alert to cadavarine. This indicates a dead body only, and a human, only. He is an award-winning dog with near-perfect success rates. His work is backed up by a blood dog, who again alerts only to blood, and only human.

1) Behind the sofa in McCanns' apartment - blood smell confirmed
2) The wardrobe in the McCanns' parents' bedroom - blood smell confirmed
3) Bush outside McCanns' apartment (weaker alert)
4) Kate McCann's chequered trousers
5) Kate McCann's white top
6) Sean McCann's top
7) Maddie's toy "cuddle cat"
8) Key of McCanns' hire vehicle
9) Passenger side of McCanns' hire vehicle  
10) Boot of McCanns' hire vehicle - blood smell confirmed

Number of alerts to other suspect's clothes, their cars, their apartments or other random alerts around the abduction site: zero.

So the McCanns are implicated over and over again here, with the smell of death. Gerry McCann's defence is that the dog has been alerting to other things in those locations, and has mistaken them for the smell of death. It is absolutely absurd to suggest that this dog could make 10 mistakes in a row on a single case; especially while not making any other errors around anyone else, if it was performing so badly as to pick up any old nonsense as cadavarine that day. Even if the dog was correct a single time out of 10, and statisctally you’d expect somewhere close to 9.9 out of 10 here, the McCann's have an unexplained contact with a dead body.

Physical evidence

1) Blood sample recovered from behind the McCann's sofa, which had caked under the tiles. This was statistically a match for Maddie. Their explanation was, "A nose bleed".

2) Dried body fluid recovered from the boot of McCann's hire car, which they got weeks after the disappearance. Blood dog had indicated it was blood. It was again a match for Maddie. Their explanation was, "There were no bodily fluids".

3) Sofa pushed back against the wall.

Testimony

1) The first time someone is heard shouting in distress for Madeleine is well before the alleged time of the abduction.

2) Kate McCann claims the shutters and windows in the children's bedroom were open when she first discovered Maddie was missing. She immediately "concluded" that Maddie had been abducted, rather than any other possible explanation, and that the abductor had broken in through the window.

a) Out of all the Tapas 7 who quickly entered the apartment, only one of them makes any mention of the window or blinds being open. Some others give strong indications that they were not. The one who did report it later admitted he heard it from another of the Tapas 7 (who didn’t report it herself), who in turn admitted she had heard this news from Kate McCann.

b) No evidence of a break-in was found. No fingerprints were found on the outside of the window except Kate’s. Investigation showed that breaking in from the outside would have caused severe damage which would have been very noticeable.

3) Gerry McCann is unaccounted for during the "discovery" of the abduction, and the following immediate search.

4) Gerry McCann is identified by the two Smith witnesses with 60-80% confidence as passing them, carrying a child, shortly before the alarm was raised.

5) The man Jane Tanner identified as being the prime abduction suspect turned out to be someone carrying their child back from the crèche, who later came forward. She lied about many aspects of this man, if it wasn’t just a coincidence in the first place, including the direction he was walking in and the position she was standing. (English police withheld this evidence for 4 months.)

6) Kate later changed her story completely about the abuction after having told everyone (including phoning people back in England) that the window had been broken into. After it became clear that the window was opened from the inside, and only Kate apparently noticed this, it was obvious it was later staged by her for the benefit of the police to see. She then claimed (somehow telepathically) that an abductor had come through an unlocked door into the apartment (she has previously claimed the doors were locked), had staged the abduction scenario themselves with the window from the inside, managed to walk off with Maddie without waking any of the 3 children, and then left again through the door.

7) Contradictions in testimony too numerous to list.

My conclusions

Evidence that an abduction has taken place: none, physical evidence and testimonies contradict the claim, which changed over time and grew to the point of absurdity; even if there was an abduction, they are clearly guilty of criminal neglect, leaving three toddlers alone in an unlocked apartment

Evidence that the McCanns had contact with a dead body at some point: very strong

Evidence of any other scenario: none

[Shell B]

Oh, boy.