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Is atheism a belief?
#11
RE: Is atheism a belief?
Atheists believe the is no god, and let me explain why. If somebody is an "afariest" they lack belief in fairies. If pressed on the matter, they would, of course, say that they believe there are no fairies/leprechauns/unicorns etc. Atheism is no different.
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#12
RE: Is atheism a belief?
(December 9, 2018 at 12:03 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:
(December 9, 2018 at 10:22 am)Rahn127 Wrote: Atheism is a response to a single question. That question is "Do you believe that a god exists ?"
If you answer Yes, you are a theist. If you answer No, you are an atheist.

That is the only thing that makes anyone an atheist.
Atheism contains no positive beliefs. It is not a belief. It is a rejection of a claim.

"Do you believe in bigfoot ?"
No. The answer of no would make me an abigfootist if such a term existed.
The non belief in bigfoot is not a belief.

Also I would say that all agnostics are also atheists. They don't have a belief in a god and as such, that makes them an atheist, by definition.
They may not like the label of atheist, but that is what they are.

What beliefs do you think atheism is based on ?

Atheism is undoubtedly a belief, don't delude yourself.

Belief in this case is referring to an ideology / idea.  Atheism is an ideology, ("ism" in 'atheism' means "a distinctive doctrine, theory, system, or practice") hence why you guys are constantly trying to form tactics to try and actively counter theist arguments...

How many "abigfootist" forums have you joined?

Your grasp of logic is so great that burning your hand on a stove and burning not your hand on a stove is true.

There is no theory, there is doctrine, system or practice amongst atheists. Other than telling you are fantasy bound to magical beings like a 4 year old.

Your god is weak as you are deliverig its message. If it chose you.... Hilarious
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#13
RE: Is atheism a belief?
Atheism is a belief like baldness is a hair color.
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#14
RE: Is atheism a belief?
What are “Christian values”?
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#15
RE: Is atheism a belief?
(December 9, 2018 at 12:20 pm)Deesse23 Wrote:
(December 9, 2018 at 12:03 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Belief in this case is referring to an ideology / idea.  Atheism is an ideology, ("ism" in 'atheism' means "a distinctive doctrine, theory, system, or practice") hence why you guys are constantly trying to form tactics to try and actively counter theist arguments...

How many "abigfootist" forums have you joined?

Please describe the belief all atheists have in common.
Please sum up the atheist *ideology* all atheists have in common.
What doctrine do all atheists have in common?
What theory do all atheists have in common?
What system do all atheists in common?

Let me rephrase your questions, and maybe you'll see how they fail...

Please describe the belief all theists have in common.
Please sum up the theist *ideology* all theists have in common.
What doctrine do all theists have in common?
What theory do all theists have in common?
What system do all theists in common?

(December 9, 2018 at 12:29 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Atheism is a belief like baldness is a hair color.

Look up the definition of 'ism'...
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#16
RE: Is atheism a belief?
(December 9, 2018 at 12:03 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Atheism is undoubtedly a belief, don't delude yourself.

Belief in this case is referring to an ideology / idea.  Atheism is an ideology, ("ism" in 'atheism' means "a distinctive doctrine, theory, system, or practice") hence why you guys are constantly trying to form tactics to try and actively counter theist arguments...

It is a-theism, not athe-ism.

Quote:How many "abigfootist" forums have you joined?

When the bigfootists organize on a large scale and start using that to pass laws based on their unsubstantiated claims and telling me that I can't be a decent person or that I deserve to be killed and tortured forever for my lack of belief then I will be happy to join an abigfootist forum. I identify as an atheist only in response to the problem that is theism. Bigfootism isn't a problem.
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#17
RE: Is atheism a belief?
A simple phrase "herding atheists is like herding cats".
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#18
RE: Is atheism a belief?
(December 9, 2018 at 12:34 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Let me rephrase your questions, and maybe you'll see how they fail...

Please describe the belief all theists have in common.
Please sum up the theist *ideology* all theists have in common.
What doctrine do all theists have in common?
What theory do all theists have in common?
What system do all theists in common?

You mean besides the belief that a god exists? I think you're disproving your own point here, Huggy. Atheists are no more united by a belief beyond the absence of gods than theists are by the presence of them. Specific sub-groups of theists, on the other hand, do have beliefs that form systems and ideologies. Atheists, too, form sub-groups, just to a much more limited extent. As the old saying goes, trying to get atheists to agree on something is like herding cats. This is so because, generally, atheists are all going in different directions.

Like the definition of faith and religion, this is simply another exercise in, "If I can't have mine then you're not going to have yours either." It's fundamentally hostile and motivated by theist concerns, not legitimate atheist concerns.
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#19
RE: Is atheism a belief?
(December 9, 2018 at 12:36 pm)unfogged Wrote:
(December 9, 2018 at 12:03 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Atheism is undoubtedly a belief, don't delude yourself.

Belief in this case is referring to an ideology / idea.  Atheism is an ideology, ("ism" in 'atheism' means "a distinctive doctrine, theory, system, or practice") hence why you guys are constantly trying to form tactics to try and actively counter theist arguments...

It is a-theism, not athe-ism.

No, it's a-the(o)-ism

A = without

theo = god

ism = system

"Atheism" by definition means a godless based system, therefore technically an ideology such as Communism can be filed under the umbrella Atheism.


(December 9, 2018 at 12:36 pm)unfogged Wrote:
Quote:How many "abigfootist" forums have you joined?

When the bigfootists organize on a large scale and start using that to pass laws based on their unsubstantiated claims and telling me that I can't be a decent person or that I deserve to be killed and tortured forever for my lack of belief then I will be happy to join an abigfootist forum.  I identify as an atheist only in response to the problem that is theism.  Bigfootism isn't a problem.

Last I looked, America had something called the 1st amendment which states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". That being said, why do Atheists never have a problem with countries like Denmark who actually have a state sanctioned religion?

(January 29, 2016 at 3:24 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Not that I know of.

There is no evidence for atheists being less happy than theists.

Some of the countries (Sweden, Iceland, Norway, Japan, Denmark) with the highest percentage of atheist populations have among the lowest suicide rates.

Denmark is about 60% atheists, and is considered, by all methods of rating, the happiest population on the planet.

at least 4 out of the 5 countries listed have state sanctioned churches, yet the atheists there seem to be fine with that... Seems you're just paranoid.

(December 9, 2018 at 12:44 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:
(December 9, 2018 at 12:34 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Let me rephrase your questions, and maybe you'll see how they fail...

Please describe the belief all theists have in common.
Please sum up the theist *ideology* all theists have in common.
What doctrine do all theists have in common?
What theory do all theists have in common?
What system do all theists in common?

You mean besides the belief that a god exists?  I think you're disproving your own point here, Huggy.  Atheists are no more united by a belief beyond the absence of gods than theists are by the presence of them.  Specific sub-groups of theists, on the other hand, do have beliefs that form systems and ideologies.  Atheists, too, form sub-groups, just to a much more limited extent.  As the old saying goes, trying to get atheists to agree on something is like herding cats.  This is so because, generally, atheists are all going in different directions.

Like the definition of faith and religion, this is simply another exercise in, "If I can't have mine then you're not going to have yours either."  It's fundamentally hostile and motivated by theist concerns, not legitimate atheist concerns.

What God or gods are we talking about, a god could literally be anything.

there is also another saying which you guys love to quote.

We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.
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#20
RE: Is atheism a belief?
(December 9, 2018 at 12:34 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:
(December 9, 2018 at 12:29 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Atheism is a belief like baldness is a hair color.

Look up the definition of 'ism'...

Look up the definition of 'jism'...

Quote:1. A nutritional liquid which eminates from the end of the male organ after stimulation. 2. A tasty snack. 3. Nectar of the wanker.
Hehe
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
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