Is atheism a belief?

[Huggy Bear]

It's clear you didn't bother reading my post because I addressed them separately, and yes they are considered religious...

And it's clear you can't even understand what you're reading.

The Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts do not identify themselves as a religion.
" loyalty to the religion that expresses them and acceptance of the duties resulting" ...

that means that the Scouts want them to be loyal their THEIR OWN religions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_Scouts...troversies

The Boy Scouts of America (BSA), one of the largest private youth organizations in the United States, has policies which prohibit those who are not willing to subscribe to the BSA's Declaration of Religious Principle, which is usually interpreted as banning atheists

You also conveniently didn't answer about Marxism and socialism .... both ideologies.

Because you're no longer talking about the same thing, those are systems of government, not a group of people practicing an ideology. Now I'd make a case that Nazis were part of a religion.

[Amarok]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_Scouts...troversies

The Boy Scouts of America (BSA), one of the largest private youth organizations in the United States, has policies which prohibit those who are not willing to subscribe to the BSA's Declaration of Religious Principle, which is usually interpreted as banning atheists

Which in no way refutes bucks point

Because you're no longer talking about the same thing, those are systems of government, not a group of people practicing an ideology. Now I'd make a case that Nazism is a religion.

Then your definitions are messed up

[Huggy Bear]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_Scouts...troversies

The Boy Scouts of America (BSA), one of the largest private youth organizations in the United States, has policies which prohibit those who are not willing to subscribe to the BSA's Declaration of Religious Principle, which is usually interpreted as banning atheists

Which in no way refutes bucks point

Because you're no longer talking about the same thing, those are systems of government, not a group of people practicing an ideology. Now I'd make a case that Nazism is a religion.

Then your definitions are messed up

Would you consider an organization that has a 'prayer' religious?

[Abaddon_ire]

"We don't believe there are any gods" but we also "don't believe there are no Gods". Then which God do u believe in?

What a stupid question. "We don't believe there are any gods" but we also "don't believe there are no Gods" are not mutually exclusive. Is there something wrong with your reading comprehension?

Very confused are these atheists.

Nope. It is pretty clear. Atheism is a lack of belief in any god ot gods. It is not a claim or belief that no gods exist. How difficult is that? Children can figure it out, why can't you?

The determination to redefine a simple definition with false grammar is amazing. What is the motivation...

Then you should stop attempting it.

The blatent contradiction of these statements are so ridiculous only one person has given a good argument for this while the rest continue to be driven by emotion.

What contradiction? It appears to exist only in your addled mind.

No belief in no God. This is a double negative and as a grammatical rule is a positive.
And so means belief in a God.

Incorrect. Double negatives in grammar do not operate as algebra. Attempting to equate the two is a fools errand.

What is the purpose of argument for people here?

Discussion, not deluded semantics such as you provide.

Are u looking to gain knowledge?

Sure, why not?

Are you looking to find common ground?

Sure, why not?

Are you looking to understand different perspectives?

Sure, why not?

Are you looking to impose ur ideology?

Dumb question. No. For obvious reasons if one were to give it a moments thought which you are obviously incapable of doing.

Are you looking to win the argument?

Dumb question. No. For obvious reasons if one were to give it a moments thought which you are obviously incapable of doing.

You appear to be here merely to attempt to stroke your own ego.

[ignoramus]

He's just looking for someone to say yeah, atheism is a belief so he can them proclaim that both our beliefs are of equal standing, jizz his pants and get the warm and fuzzies. We've heard this type of crap a million times before from special snowflakes.
Stop wasting our fucking time! I swear he's 13 with a pop up bible.

[GrandizerII]

"We don't believe there are any gods" but we also "don't believe there are no Gods". Then which God do u believe in? Very confused are these atheists. The determination to redefine a simple definition with false grammar is amazing. What is the motivation...

The simple definition is that atheism is not theism. What part of that do you not fucking understand?

Mere atheism is not an assertive statement about anything, so it makes sense to say that mere atheism neither asserts/suggests the existence of god(s) nor asserts/suggests the non-existence of god(s). It's just a lack of belief in god(s) ... a "lack of theism".

The blatent contradiction of these statements are so ridiculous only one person has given a good argument for this while the rest continue to be driven by emotion.

If you think there's a blatant contradiction here, please point it out properly because I'm not seeing it.

Lack of belief in "A" does not logically necessarily mean belief in "not A" because it can possibly mean lack of belief in "not A" as well.

No belief in no God. This is a double negative and as a grammatical rule is a positive.
And so means belief in a God.

Where's the "double negative" here? Just because there are two "no's" in the same sentence doesn't mean the sentence contains a "double negative".

What is the purpose of argument for people here?
Are u looking to gain knowledge?
Are you looking to find common ground?
Are you looking to understand different perspectives?
Are you looking to impose ur ideology?
Are you looking to win the argument?

Why don't you answer these yourself first?

[Amarok]

Would you consider an organization that has a 'prayer' religious?

Inherently no

There is no contradiction of non religious  institution having universal prayer among religious members

If your specifically referring to the scout their rules are odd . They won't accept atheists but they will accept Buddhist which according to you are religious atheists And a religious organization that worships 38 different religions .....

Also i point out the fact they allow gay and trans people confuses matters more

[Amarok]

But once again desperate to make atheism a religion by sewing a dictionary Frankenstein on loose wordings and stretches of credulity  and absurdity to satisfy his ego.

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Not mention the cult that He's trying desperately paint onto all the atheists little statement doesn't make sense .

[Agnostico]

"We don't believe there are any gods" but we also "don't believe there are no Gods". Then which God do u believe in? Very confused are these atheists. The determination to redefine a simple definition with false grammar is amazing. What is the motivation...

The simple definition is that atheism is not theism. What part of that do you not fucking understand?

Mere atheism is not an assertive statement about anything, so it makes sense to say that mere atheism neither asserts/suggests the existence of god(s) nor asserts/suggests the non-existence of god(s). It's just a lack of belief in god(s) ... a "lack of theism".

The blatent contradiction of these statements are so ridiculous only one person has given a good argument for this while the rest continue to be driven by emotion.

If you think there's a blatant contradiction here, please point it out properly because I'm not seeing it.

Lack of belief in "A" does not logically necessarily mean belief in "not A" because it can possibly mean lack of belief in "not A" as well.

No belief in no God. This is a double negative and as a grammatical rule is a positive.
And so means belief in a God.

Where's the "double negative" here? Just because there are two "no's" in the same sentence doesn't mean the sentence contains a "double negative".

What is the purpose of argument for people here?
Are u looking to gain knowledge?
Are you looking to find common ground?
Are you looking to understand different perspectives?
Are you looking to impose ur ideology?
Are you looking to win the argument?

Why don't you answer these yourself first?

Wow, such anger for a position claiming to be a non belief.
I remind everyone that I actually accepted this a long time ago now and moved on but there is still discussion.
And now i know why... Im not the first to ask this.

To directly answer ur rather hostile question.
I don't understand how your definition is different to the definition of other atheists
And so I don't understand why some get all emotional when I call it a belief, claim or something when the definition is unclear within its own community.

Im finding this to be a major issue with atheism thayt has in fact been expressed by many. There is certainly a lot of discussion on these various definitions.
So the emotional use of foul language must be down to being asked this a lot. Not my fault.

This false position, view, non belief, ideology, doctrine or whatever term u wish to use, is explained very well in the following articles
https://www.bethinking.org/atheism/the-s...an-sceptic
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online...-of-belief

This is the definition of a double negative.
"A double negative is a grammatical construction occurring when two forms of negation are used in the same sentence"
Twisting this definition needs to be done to fit the atheist agenda

U are so afraid of having ur world view shaken up u cannot even answer some simple questions.
I'll answer them then.

What is the purpose of argument for people here?         To learn
Are u looking to gain knowledge?                                 Yes
Are you looking to find common ground?                       Yes
Are you looking to understand different perspectives?     Yes
Are you looking to impose ur ideology?                         No
Are you looking to win the argument?                           No


Hope that makes u guys feel better... As feelings seem to overwrite facts here

[Amarok]

So vapid prattle a link to biased fundie sites that have an axe to grind and lots of rhetoric 


You receive the slow clap of condescension.