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RE: The dawn of civilization
December 26, 2018 at 10:35 pm
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Why would anyone assume that civilization began 6000 years ago, when we know there are cave paintings from 40,000 years ago and intentional human burials 100,000 years ago ?
Who says hunter/gatherers didn't have "civilization" ? There is evidence that human religion began a LOT earlier than 6,000 years ago.
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell 
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RE: The dawn of civilization
December 26, 2018 at 10:39 pm
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(December 25, 2018 at 10:20 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.
Well.... that will be an interesting read.
Don't forget that light's speed changes through different mediums.
Pretty sure the top end (Normal ) speed of a photon is the upper limit.
There's different research. I know there is one theory that involves something like three photons working together but still separate as to achieve a higher speed. But I'm gonna shuddup there, because I don't know the rest. 
(December 26, 2018 at 10:35 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Why would anyone assume that civilization began 6000 years ago, when we know there are cave paintings from 40,000 years ago and intentional human burials 100,000 years ago ?
Who says hunter/gatherers didn't have "civilization" ? There is evidence that human religion began a LOT earlier than 6,000 years ago.
Who assumed 6000 years? Also, do you have the 100,000 year old calendar?
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RE: The dawn of civilization
December 26, 2018 at 11:04 pm
No one assumed it, troll. That we've been fully modern for at least 50k years is the conservative estimate.
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RE: The dawn of civilization
December 26, 2018 at 11:30 pm
(December 26, 2018 at 11:04 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: No one assumed it, troll. That we've been fully modern for at least 50k years is the conservative estimate.
Stop being a crybaby. Always playing the victim.
No calendar = It's assumed by you and anybody who you can convince of your opinion. Your estimate is nothing more than that, your estimate.
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RE: The dawn of civilization
December 26, 2018 at 11:34 pm
At work.
(December 26, 2018 at 11:30 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: (December 26, 2018 at 11:04 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: ......That we've been fully modern for at least 50k years is the conservative estimate.
Stop being a crybaby. Always playing the victim.
No calendar = It's assumed by you and anybody who you can convince of your opinion. Your estimate is nothing more than that, your estimate.
Uhm.... you do understand how anthropology etc work T0 th3 M4X?
Again I really suggest reading Prof Lynn Kelly's book on pre-literate societies.
People and their history started well before 'Writing' was a thing.
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RE: The dawn of civilization
December 26, 2018 at 11:36 pm
(December 26, 2018 at 11:30 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: (December 26, 2018 at 11:04 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: No one assumed it, troll. That we've been fully modern for at least 50k years is the conservative estimate.
Stop being a crybaby. Always playing the victim.
No calendar = It's assumed by you and anybody who you can convince of your opinion. Your estimate is nothing more than that, your estimate.
Learn a new trick, you're boring.
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RE: The dawn of civilization
December 26, 2018 at 11:42 pm
(December 26, 2018 at 11:34 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.
(December 26, 2018 at 11:30 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Stop being a crybaby. Always playing the victim.
No calendar = It's assumed by you and anybody who you can convince of your opinion. Your estimate is nothing more than that, your estimate.
Uhm.... you do understand how anthropology etc work T0 th3 M4X?
Again I really suggest reading Prof Lynn Kelly's book on pre-literate societies.
People and their history started well before 'Writing' was a thing.
If you magically apply a date to something, it's a guess. It's not grounded in reality.
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RE: The dawn of civilization
December 26, 2018 at 11:50 pm
At work.
(December 26, 2018 at 11:42 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: (December 26, 2018 at 11:34 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: Uhm.... you do understand how anthropology etc work T0 th3 M4X?
Again I really suggest reading Prof Lynn Kelly's book on pre-literate societies.
People and their history started well before 'Writing' was a thing.
If you magically apply a date to something, it's a guess. It's not grounded in reality.
What 'Magic'?
Or are you now seeking to change the label on something objective such as to dismiss things?
Anthopology and archeology both are the science of studying humanities (And our related, extinct, cousin species) history.
I admit to finding your insistence on the 'Written word' as the only metric to use strange.
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RE: The dawn of civilization
December 27, 2018 at 12:10 am
(December 26, 2018 at 10:39 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: (December 25, 2018 at 10:20 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.
Well.... that will be an interesting read.
Don't forget that light's speed changes through different mediums.
Pretty sure the top end (Normal ) speed of a photon is the upper limit.
There's different research. I know there is one theory that involves something like three photons working together but still separate as to achieve a higher speed. But I'm gonna shuddup there, because I don't know the rest.
(December 26, 2018 at 10:35 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Why would anyone assume that civilization began 6000 years ago, when we know there are cave paintings from 40,000 years ago and intentional human burials 100,000 years ago ?
Who says hunter/gatherers didn't have "civilization" ? There is evidence that human religion began a LOT earlier than 6,000 years ago.
Who assumed 6000 years? Also, do you have the 100,000 year old calendar?
It's (6,000) in the OP, trollish one. Shouldn't you be saying your prayers ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic_religion
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell
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RE: The dawn of civilization
December 27, 2018 at 1:06 am
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(December 26, 2018 at 11:50 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.
(December 26, 2018 at 11:42 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: If you magically apply a date to something, it's a guess. It's not grounded in reality.
What 'Magic'?
Or are you now seeking to change the label on something objective such as to dismiss things?
Anthopology and archeology both are the science of studying humanities (And our related, extinct, cousin species) history.
I admit to finding your insistence on the 'Written word' as the only metric to use strange.
That is a tu quoque fallacy. Any "Written word" has nothing to do with his claim. He either has something that objectively provides a date, or there's no reason to assume it as being objective.
As far as your objection on its own, I never dated anything in such a way, so I don't see why I would need to justify it.
(December 27, 2018 at 12:10 am)Bucky Ball Wrote: (December 26, 2018 at 10:39 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: There's different research. I know there is one theory that involves something like three photons working together but still separate as to achieve a higher speed. But I'm gonna shuddup there, because I don't know the rest.
Who assumed 6000 years? Also, do you have the 100,000 year old calendar?
It's (6,000) in the OP, trollish one. Shouldn't you be saying your prayers ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic_religion
I didn't assert the OP. Why would I be responsible for its claims? I'm responsible for what I assert.
That is unless I assert someone else's assertions as being my own assertions, but I didn't assert such an assertion.
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