Morality

[Simon Moon]

Hi all just to reiterate what i learn't here

Fact... The law, our morals, your morals, wester civilization. They're all from Christianity.

Factually and provably wrong.

Christianity has some good morality, and it has some bad morality. You just cherry pick the Christian morality that agrees with your innate sense of morality. ignore the stuff that doesn't, and consider your morality based on Christian values.

Why don't you just own your own morality and ethics, without attaching a mythological source to them.

Fact... Atheism has no objective morals which people can refer to.

Atheism is the disbelief in the existence of gods. Full stop. Why would you expect there to be any sort of morality, objective or otherwise connected to it?

Most atheists are also secular humanists. Humanism is a great source to inform our morality.

And by the way, Christianity offers no objective morality either, since the god could change his mind about what is moral.

Fact... Atheists just base their opinions on the existing Christian morals and cannot agree themselves, on several issues.

I don't get my morals from Christianity. I get my morals from my evolutionary history, natural empathy, altruism, reciprocity and a rational evaluation.

There were plenty of pre-Christian cultures that had comparable morality to Christianity.

Fact... Atheists are generally hostile to anyone who disagrees with their thoughts which they tend to believe is knowledge.

I am hostile to those that want to inflict their Christian morality on others.

Fact... New atheism is a creation of the millenial generation, snowflakes. They are entitled but have no culture or historical knowledge.
They get triggered easily by the opionions of others and truly believe that they know all there is to know about the universe.
Their views are very simplistic and lack much in depth thought. One only needs to see the responses to "why did humans create religions?" to see that.

BS.

There is no 'new atheism'. The so called 'new atheists' are just atheists that decided not to remain silent any longer. The fact that theists are triggered by the thought that they are losing their privileged status, is where the problem lies.

I've found it hard to define atheism but I've decided to call it a "techno religion". An ideology which is still finding its feet and writting it's doctrines.

Here, I'll define it for you, so you can move on. Atheism is the disbelief in the existence of gods.

A non-belief so strong that it blinds people with shallow hate. They cannot see that its actually tearing down society at a rapid rate.

This is provably wrong.

The most atheistic countries in the world (Sweden (80%), Norway (70%), Denmark (80%), Finland (60%), (Japan (60%) are among the happiest in the world. They have lower crime rates, lower infant mortality rates, better health care, better education rates, lower teen pregnancy rates than the vast majority of religious countries. Even the US.

Atheists are basically just kids who don't yet realize they have still much to learn.

This is laughable, and I don't even think it deserves a response.

[Acrobat]

Christianity has some good morality, and it has some bad morality. You just cherry pick the Christian morality that agrees with your innate sense of morality. ignore the stuff that doesn't, and consider your morality based on Christian values.

In terms of values, what moral values do you think Christians cherry pick?

It seems to me that most Christians would agree, is that being more moral, being a good person, is to be more Christ like, embodied the values he embodies.

Those values are explicitly indicated throughout, humility, patience, kindness, forgiveness, love, charity, not to be materialistic, fidelity in marriage, gratefulness, preferential treatment of the poor, taking care of widows and orphans, reverence, servitude to others over mastery, being compassionate etc..

Regardless of whether Christians failed to live up to these values, it seems that perhaps all Christians would agree they these are the type of values the compose what it means to be good, that they should strive for.

[Agnostico]

Fact: Most of our laws derive from the English common law, which began before Christianity reached England.

The Kingdom of England was formed in the 10th century. Christianity had already arrived in the 7th century. Then the reformation by Henry the 8th makes it a fact that England is founded and built on Christianity.
So the fact remains. Western civilization is based on Christianity

Fact: Neither does theism. Theism has no morality because it's merely the opinion that some sort of God or gods probably or certainly exist. Atheism is merely the opinion that they probably or certainly don't.

The fact also remains. Atheists don't have a set of morals. Their just personal opinions at this point in time. All religions have morals centered around family. It's objective is to sustain a society

The rest of my facts are about the people on this forum and is not extended to all atheists. I gavè a trigger warning so u snowflakes can just head for the nearest safe space with a cry closet and get over it. LoL

[Brian37]

Hi all just to reiterate what i learn't here

Fact... The law, our morals, your morals, wester civilization. They're all from Christianity.

Factually and provably wrong.

Christianity has some good morality, and it has some bad morality. You just cherry pick the Christian morality that agrees with your innate sense of morality. ignore the stuff that doesn't, and consider your morality based on Christian values.

Why don't you just own your own morality and ethics, without attaching a mythological source to them.

Fact... Atheism has no objective morals which people can refer to.

Atheism is the disbelief in the existence of gods. Full stop. Why would you expect there to be any sort of morality, objective or otherwise connected to it?

Most atheists are also secular humanists. Humanism is a great source to inform our morality.

And by the way, Christianity offers no objective morality either, since the god could change his mind about what is moral.

Fact... Atheists just base their opinions on the existing Christian morals and cannot agree themselves, on several issues.

I don't get my morals from Christianity. I get my morals from my evolutionary history, natural empathy, altruism, reciprocity and a rational evaluation.

There were plenty of pre-Christian cultures that had comparable morality to Christianity.

Fact... Atheists are generally hostile to anyone who disagrees with their thoughts which they tend to believe is knowledge.

I am hostile to those that want to inflict their Christian morality on others.

Fact... New atheism is a creation of the millenial generation, snowflakes. They are entitled but have no culture or historical knowledge.
They get triggered easily by the opionions of others and truly believe that they know all there is to know about the universe.
Their views are very simplistic and lack much in depth thought. One only needs to see the responses to "why did humans create religions?" to see that.

BS.

There is no 'new atheism'. The so called 'new atheists' are just atheists that decided not to remain silent any longer. The fact that theists are triggered by the thought that they are losing their privileged status, is where the problem lies.

I've found it hard to define atheism but I've decided to call it a "techno religion". An ideology which is still finding its feet and writting it's doctrines.

Here, I'll define it for you, so you can move on. Atheism is the disbelief in the existence of gods.

A non-belief so strong that it blinds people with shallow hate. They cannot see that its actually tearing down society at a rapid rate.

This is provably wrong.

The most atheistic countries in the world (Sweden (80%), Norway (70%), Denmark (80%), Finland (60%), (Japan (60%) are among the happiest in the world. They have lower crime rates, lower infant mortality rates, better health care, better education rates, lower teen pregnancy rates than the vast majority of religious countries. Even the US.

Atheists are basically just kids who don't yet realize they have still much to learn.

This is laughable, and I don't even think it deserves a response.

The motifs of kindness and empathy in Christianity are found in every religion, because religion isn't where our behaviors come from, but evolution itself.

Humans of every religion in the world also are capable of doing bad. Most humans are good, yes, but Christianity doesn't own a patent on human behavior, good or bad.

[Acrobat]

The motifs of kindness and empathy in Christianity are found in every religion, because religion isn't where our behaviors come from, but evolution itself.

Humans of every religion in the world also are capable of doing bad. Most humans are good, yes, but Christianity doesn't own a patent on human behavior, good or bad.

Well, if its wasn't found in other religions, or worldviews, this would be problematic for christianity, who imagines that we're all born with the image of God, oriented to some conception of goodness, that morality is written within us. 

But this is still besides the point. The question was whether the moral values expressed in Christianity (as opposed to moral rules or commands) are cherrypicked, not whether or not they exist outside of it.

[Brian37]

The motifs of kindness and empathy in Christianity are found in every religion, because religion isn't where our behaviors come from, but evolution itself.

Humans of every religion in the world also are capable of doing bad. Most humans are good, yes, but Christianity doesn't own a patent on human behavior, good or bad.

Well, if its wasn't found in other religions, or worldviews, this would be problematic for christianity, who imagines that we're all born with the image of God, oriented to some conception of goodness, that morality is written within us. 

But this is still besides the point. The question was whether the moral values expressed in Christianity (as opposed to moral rules or commands) are cherrypicked, not whether or not they exist outside of it.

Um no, humans merely buy what society sells them, most of the time at birth before they can formulate adult critical thinking skills. God/s are merely a reflection of human's qualities. There is no super cognition doing any of this, and if humans want to do good or bad, it is strictly in the individual as to what they do.

[Acrobat]

Well, if its wasn't found in other religions, or worldviews, this would be problematic for christianity, who imagines that we're all born with the image of God, oriented to some conception of goodness, that morality is written within us. 

But this is still besides the point. The question was whether the moral values expressed in Christianity (as opposed to moral rules or commands) are cherrypicked, not whether or not they exist outside of it.

Um no, humans merely buy what society sells them, most of the time at birth before they can formulate adult critical thinking skills. God/s are merely a reflection of human's qualities. There is no super cognition doing any of this, and if humans want to do good or bad, it is strictly in the individual as to what they do.

Yes, like truth, people often buy what society tells them is true, but people often reject what society tells them as well, often unmasking the lies and delusions of immorality, for moral truth.

Evil is like ignorance, and not like personal presences.

[Brian37]

Um no, humans merely buy what society sells them, most of the time at birth before they can formulate adult critical thinking skills. God/s are merely a reflection of human's qualities. There is no super cognition doing any of this, and if humans want to do good or bad, it is strictly in the individual as to what they do.

Yes, like truth, people often buy what society tells them is true, but people often reject what society tells them as well, often unmasking the lies and delusions of immorality, for moral truth.

Evil is like ignorance, and not like personal presences.

"Evil" isn't something coming from an invisible super villain. It does not take old mythology to recognize monsters. 

Ignorance is what keeps people living in the past. Education is what helps humanity progress.

[Acrobat]

"Evil" isn't something coming from an invisible super villain. It does not take old mythology to recognize monsters. 

I never suggested any of the above, but that good and evil is a matter of truth, not social consensus. To say that the holocaust is evil, is to say that 1+1 = 2, and not like saying those shoes look good on you.

Ignorance is what keeps people living in the past. Education is what helps humanity progress.

Education helps you to be economically successful, the degree in which it influences and shapes your moral character, is pretty minimal. Parents hoping that teachers or universities will positively contribute to the moral shaping of their children, will find themselves disappointed.

[Brian37]

"Evil" isn't something coming from an invisible super villain. It does not take old mythology to recognize monsters. 

I never suggested any of the above, but that good and evil is a matter of truth, not social consensus. To say that the holocaust is evil, is to say that 1+1 = 2, and not like saying those shoes look good on you.

Ignorance is what keeps people living in the past. Education is what helps humanity progress.

Education helps you to be economically successful, the degree in which it influences and shapes your moral character, is pretty minimal. Parents hoping that teachers or universities will positively contribute to the moral shaping of their children, will find themselves disappointed.

If you think education is strictly about money, that is simply stupid.

FYI I didn't stay in my field after college, but just for a few years. There is more to life than money. I still value that education because it exposed me to diversity, and world history. It can help some move up economically, yes. But an education teaches you cooperation and life skills beyond class  status.

Thank you for making the claim that my degree didn't shape my morals. It didn't line my pockets, but it most certainly made me a better person.