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Abiogenesis in the proximity of hydrothermal vents?
#21
RE: Abiogenesis in the proximity of hydrothermal vents?
(January 10, 2019 at 1:32 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: When one says "possibly" it also allows for "possibly not", because "possibly" isn't conclusive.  Same thing for "may have", which allows for "may have not" as an alternative.  In light of that, interesting claim but inconclusive.

Better than stating "I am that I am" ( or some similar nonsense) with absolutely nothing even close to possibly supporting the statement.
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem.
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#22
RE: Abiogenesis in the proximity of hydrothermal vents?
(January 10, 2019 at 6:13 pm)wyzas Wrote:
(January 10, 2019 at 1:32 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: When one says "possibly" it also allows for "possibly not", because "possibly" isn't conclusive.  Same thing for "may have", which allows for "may have not" as an alternative.  In light of that, interesting claim but inconclusive.

Better than stating "I am that I am" ( or some similar nonsense) with absolutely nothing even close to possibly supporting the statement.

But there is more.

It seems like a separate matter though.  If I say "Wyzas probably ate the last cookie" or "Wyzas ate the last cookie", which on is spoken conclusively?  Which one would I (or anyone else) take more seriously?
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#23
RE: Abiogenesis in the proximity of hydrothermal vents?
(January 10, 2019 at 6:10 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:
(January 10, 2019 at 5:56 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: That's unfair.  Christians have made tremendous contributions to science.

Boru

Yes.  For example the scientific method.

Yeah, not so much. 

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#24
RE: Abiogenesis in the proximity of hydrothermal vents?
Thoreauvian has 6 times as much rep as me and fewer posts...have I offended the powers that be? (or perhaps the rep feature is a shallow popularist farce like much democracy)?
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#25
RE: Abiogenesis in the proximity of hydrothermal vents?
(January 10, 2019 at 6:47 pm)Editz Wrote: Thoreauvian has 6 times as much rep as me and fewer posts...have I offended the powers that be? (or perhaps the rep feature is a shallow popularist farce like much democracy)?

Thoreavian has been here longer.  These things take time.  Christ, I've been here more than five years and haven't broken 100 (nudge nudge).

But that's as may be.  Here you go...

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#26
RE: Abiogenesis in the proximity of hydrothermal vents?
(January 10, 2019 at 5:56 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
Quote:Christians won’t get any better no matter how far science goes.

That's unfair.  Christians have made tremendous contributions to science.

Boru

How is that unfair?

The Christians of the temperament to make major contributions to science inspite of Christianity will still make major contribution to science.

The Christians of the temperament to resist science because science does not coddle their fantasies will still resist science and remain besotted by their fantasies.

Christianity still relies on the latter vastly outnumbering the former to survive.

The latter would still do everything they can to resist the progress of science so Christianity can survive.
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#27
RE: Abiogenesis in the proximity of hydrothermal vents?
(January 10, 2019 at 6:27 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:
(January 10, 2019 at 6:13 pm)wyzas Wrote: Better than stating "I am that I am" ( or some similar nonsense) with absolutely nothing even close to possibly supporting the statement.

But there is more.

It seems like a separate matter though.  If I say "Wyzas probably ate the last cookie" or "Wyzas ate the last cookie", which on is spoken conclusively?  Which one would I (or anyone else) take more seriously?

I know I'm gonna kick myself, but what more?
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem.
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#28
RE: Abiogenesis in the proximity of hydrothermal vents?
(January 10, 2019 at 6:41 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(January 10, 2019 at 6:10 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Yes.  For example the scientific method.

Yeah, not so much. 

Boru

Is a fact.

(January 10, 2019 at 7:24 pm)wyzas Wrote:
(January 10, 2019 at 6:27 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: But there is more.

It seems like a separate matter though.  If I say "Wyzas probably ate the last cookie" or "Wyzas ate the last cookie", which on is spoken conclusively?  Which one would I (or anyone else) take more seriously?

I know I'm gonna kick myself, but what more?

No reason to kick yourself.  "I Am" was not just used there though and the way it is stated changes.

(January 10, 2019 at 7:23 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:
(January 10, 2019 at 5:56 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: That's unfair.  Christians have made tremendous contributions to science.

Boru

How is that unfair?

The Christians of the temperament to make major contributions to science inspite of Christianity will still make major contribution to science.

The Christians of the temperament to resist science because science does not coddle their fantasies will still resist science and remain besotted by their fantasies.

Christianity still relies on the latter vastly outnumbering the former to survive.

The latter would still do everything they can to resist the progress of science so Christianity can survive.

We Christians established the fundamentals of modern day scientific study.  It was adopted in a broader sense, so now we see pretty much all serious scientists using it, as well as amateur scientists.  It's used because of its effectiveness for ascertaining knowledge.
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#29
RE: Abiogenesis in the proximity of hydrothermal vents?
(January 10, 2019 at 7:30 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Other Christians established the fundamentals of modern day scientific study.  It was adopted in a broader sense, so now they see pretty much all serious scientists using it, as well as amateur scientists.  It's used because of its effectiveness for ascertaining knowledge.

Fixed that for you.
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#30
RE: Abiogenesis in the proximity of hydrothermal vents?
(January 10, 2019 at 7:30 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:
(January 10, 2019 at 6:41 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Yeah, not so much. 

Boru

Is a fact.

(January 10, 2019 at 7:24 pm)wyzas Wrote: I know I'm gonna kick myself, but what more?

No reason to kick yourself.  "I Am" was not just used there though and the way it is stated changes.

(January 10, 2019 at 7:23 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: How is that unfair?

The Christians of the temperament to make major contributions to science inspite of Christianity will still make major contribution to science.

The Christians of the temperament to resist science because science does not coddle their fantasies will still resist science and remain besotted by their fantasies.

Christianity still relies on the latter vastly outnumbering the former to survive.

The latter would still do everything they can to resist the progress of science so Christianity can survive.

We Christians established the fundamentals of modern day scientific study.  It was adopted in a broader sense, so now we see pretty much all serious scientists using it, as well as amateur scientists.  It's used because of its effectiveness for ascertaining knowledge.

Good for you. Cave men established the fundamentals of using fire. It was adopted in a broader sense. Now we see pretty much all serious humans using it, as well as amateur humans. So let’s all remain cavemen.
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