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(January 23, 2019 at 12:38 am)AFTT47 Wrote: Uh, boy.
Jade, listen to Brian. He's often a condescending pain in the ass with no empathy at all but he's spot-on here. He's done his research.
Do your own research. There's no substitute for that. When you do it yourself, things will click in a way they never would taking someone else's word for it.
Yes, the human brain will manufacture shit under the right circumstances. It is very well documented. Do the research yourself and learn. Our brains are amazing but they are also flawed in amazing ways.
There is no demon or otherwise pain in the ass on your land.
I tend to think most of it was in my mind, but when seeing people and chasing them but never finding them in an open field was creepy enough as everyone in my family saw it. I don't think it can as easily explained as mass hallucination, this isn't the witch trials buddy. Possible explanation though would be my friends crazy EX, our neighbor and my once friend had some fall out with her boyfriend and he took to stalking the house where I lived.. apparently, we never heard back form the land lord when we asked about it.
I do think most of it was in my mind, but frankly condescending doesn't scratch the surface of the tone I get from Brian, but at least he's honest, even if I think such honesty might land him in hot water. Just personal opinion.
January 23, 2019 at 1:10 am (This post was last modified: January 23, 2019 at 1:15 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Me and a handful of other joes got circled danger close by something on a ridgeline that we couldn't see with nvgs or thermal. Or..at least...if you were hovering overhead looking down it very much looked like we did from our reactions or our chatter.
There wasn't anything there. These sorts of things happen all the time. If you ask any of us what we think it was..our answers will tell you more about us (both where we were from and our then-present state of mind) than the non-thing that wasn't circling.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
OK so Brian, AFT, Amarok and Gae seem to all be on the same page here. Sorry I didn't quote them all.
(January 22, 2019 at 11:55 am)Brian37 Wrote:
(January 22, 2019 at 11:45 am)tackattack Wrote: Brian, so when applying occam's razor to this story of 2 different related people having a shared experience and finding out they had similar experiences without previously sharing details, they're both sharing a similar brain delusion is the simplest answer? Undeniably false and material is what I expected you to jump to, but can't you see any bias in this? I mean, cougars on the property would be better than that, really? Definitely tinged by your materialistic and naturalistic views.
I am sick of this bullshit, that because someone says nature doesn't need a super cognition as a gap answer, that somehow that means humans should behave like robots devoid of emotions.
Yes there is only nature, no magic needed. Just like you don't need Santa to explain where the presents under your tree really come from.
Otherwise Thor is equally a reasonable explanation for the cause of lightening. But somehow, I'd bet you rightfully reject such old mythology.
I am sorry if it frightens for someone to tell others there is no super cognition needed as a gap answer. It should not frighten humans to know this is all there is. We are still important in the time we are alive, and while our species exists. And we can still feel love and compassion while we are alive.
Yes, I stand by my statement that our brains are very powerful, and under certain conditions can cause very intense AND false perceptions.
(January 22, 2019 at 9:25 pm)Amarok Wrote:
Quote:Brian, so when applying occam's razor to this story of 2 different related people having a shared experience and finding out they had similar experiences without previously sharing details, they're both sharing a similar brain delusion is the simplest answer?
Yup because it's based on something we know is real
Quote:Undeniably false and material is what I expected you to jump to, but can't you see any bias in this?
Biased toward things that happen and we know exist
Quote:I mean, cougars on the property would be better than that, really? Definitely tinged by your materialistic and naturalistic views.
It doesn't matter hoe much you cry "materialist bias " it doesn't make it so .
Gae even offers a similar shared experience.
Just to clarify that stance. You all believe that a brain experience, shared by multiple people, with no evidence of anything tangible found, is entirely made up in the individual brain and is not real.
I can agree that it is one possibility, except there would have to be some medium to exchange the individual brains to share that experience.
I feel it's much more likely and simpler, to assume it's like bigfoot or a skiddish animal. Wouldn't the simplest answer be that the cause simply wasn't found or detectable, rather than a shared brain experience?
There is some evidence for mass hysteria and correlations with mob mentality, but to my knowledge, they're still notoriously differing on the details because those are based on subjective perspective.
Am I way off base here, or is that what's the concensus here?
BTW, calm down brian (et. all), I didn't bring up magic, or God the Gaps, suggest anything immaterial or state that all materialists are wrong. I simply wanted to understand your methodology in dissecting the OP and Gae's story.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
always working on cleaning my windows- me regarding Johari
January 23, 2019 at 11:40 am (This post was last modified: January 23, 2019 at 11:50 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 23, 2019 at 11:29 am)tackattack Wrote: Gae even offers a similar shared experience.
Just to clarify that stance. You all believe that a brain experience, shared by multiple people, with no evidence of anything tangible found, is entirely made up in the individual brain and is not real.
No. I accept that the very real experiences of our very real brains are very much susceptible to group input and cultural expectation. Calling them entirely made up and entirely limited to individual brains and not real is pretty much the opposite of what I'm contending, lol.
We really do see things..together..that really aren't there..and we also really do fail to see things..together..that really are.
To use Boru's brilliant example..from earlier..why do we suppose that the OP thinks this was a demon..instead of a leprechaun? More broadly, why do we commonly interpret shadow and anomaly..as shadowy..anomalous people?
-just to add another wrinkle, in the case of my experience, we physically saw nothing, that's what made it anomalous. It was an auditory trigger..but that auditory trigger had us literally seeing things that we couldn't confirm.
(it was likely prop wash, btw, in the brush - if it wasn't plain nervous hysteria, lol)
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
OK so you don't fall under that umbrella, fine, sorry for the unintentional misrepresentation. We do see things together, but they are real. If group x is looking at y but z is in their field of scope but not focused on, then all of x "sees" z. Only those that are prone to acknowledging/worried about z notice in retrospect z and have a shared experience about something real. The ones who didn't notice z go about life normally with another pience of undigested information tottering around in their noggin.
Our perceptions are based on our, focus AND our input. A lot of that input goes undigested consciously. I just find it remarkably hilarious that some here, that are materialists and don't believe in supernatural or Demons, jumped to (or possibly ignored the shared experience part of the story) that it's all in their head and not real, but somehow shared. And I, someone who does believe in the supernatural and Demons, jumped to "it was probably a coyote or field mouse moving grass."
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
always working on cleaning my windows- me regarding Johari
You think alot of weird things about materialism and materialists, Tack.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
LOL guys I also saw some daemon outside my shack, but I rather think it's a Bigfoot. I took a picture, what do you think it is?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
I'll have to find citations, but I remember reading something about how EM fields can cause "the willies." It's similar to how alien abductions and ghosts can be perceived when a person is subjected to electromagnetic radiation. So basically there could just be some natural or man-made EM that is causing people to get the willies. Couple that with our normal human apophenia, and suddenly you have evil walking around the place. It's also why some people swear there's something or someone in the room and it's just a ceiling fan.
Think about this way: have you ever heard someone whispering at night, but when you really listen it's just the refrigerator in the other room?
No supernatural, paranormal, or magical occurrences needed. Just the human mind.
January 23, 2019 at 10:06 pm (This post was last modified: January 23, 2019 at 10:07 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
The alternate theory being that there really is a sinister man/ghost/demon hiding in every bush (an a dryad in every tree!). So, 50/50
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(January 23, 2019 at 4:14 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: LOL guys I also saw some daemon outside my shack, but I rather think it's a Bigfoot. I took a picture, what do you think it is?
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