Cisgender vs Non-Binary

[Acrobat]

First off, you don't need to be in the changing room to help your wife pick out an outfit.
She can walk out to where you are and show you. This has never been an issue.

No, it's inconvenient, she has to walk out leave her stuff unattended, put her shoes on, worry about the door not closing on her, one of those automatic locks, etc..

It's more convenient for us if I can go directly into the changing room, since I have that privilege as a non-binary male, why not use it, the same way a cisgender female would do? Why should i have to go along with policies designed for cisgender men?

[EgoDeath]

[brewer]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Example: I want to help my wife in the lady's fitting room to decide what she should buy. The store prohibits cisgender men from being in the ladies room. If I'm asked to leave, by a sales associate, I will inform the person that I'm non-binary, to continue to remain in the ladies fitting room unchallenged.

Or if somehow I end up in prison, I might try and use my non-binary status to request I be transferred to a female prison, were I feel more comfortable and safer, than in a male prison.

Yeah, good luck with that.

[Rahn127]

First off, you don't need to be in the changing room to help your wife pick out an outfit.
She can walk out to where you are and show you. This has never been an issue.

No, it's inconvenient, she has to walk out leave her stuff unattended, put her shoes on, worry about the door not closing on her, one of those automatic locks, etc..

It's more convenient for us if I can go directly into the changing room, since I have that privilege as a non-binary male, why not use it, the same way a cisgender female would do? Why should i have to go along with policies designed for cisgender men?

Maybe we've grown up with different sizes when it comes to changing rooms, but the ones I grew up with are about as big as a bathroom stall. If the door has an automatic lock on it then her items are safe.

She could leave her purse & shoes with you if those are worries she has about the security of her things.

I could really care less what a man or a woman identifies AS. I care about what they are or what they are perceived to be.

If someone perceives you as being male, then you will be regarded as a male and treated accordingly.

Like it or not, there are male and female safe spaces in which people of one gender only expect to see people of their same gender in that space.

Locker rooms where people are changing clothes are spaces generally divided by gender.

Until people get over their own hangups about being naked in front of strangers, (which will be a long fucking time), we'll continue to have these issues about spaces dedicated to certain genders.

Just because a man cries while watching a romantic movie doesn't mean he's a woman. It means he has emotions and empathy and that makes him human.

Consider the changing room as a top secret area that you don't have clearance for. How bout that ?

[awty]

First off, you don't need to be in the changing room to help your wife pick out an outfit.
She can walk out to where you are and show you. This has never been an issue.

No, it's inconvenient, she has to walk out leave her stuff unattended, put her shoes on, worry about the door not closing on her, one of those automatic locks, etc..

It's more convenient for us if I can go directly into the changing room, since I have that privilege as a non-binary male, why not use it, the same way a cisgender female would do? Why should i have to go along with policies designed for cisgender men?

Ya know, some people go shopping for and try on clothes all by themselves and are able to handle it without assistance.  

You really seem to be looking for something to be offended about.

Just curious, how many more threads will you be starting on the subject of cis and non-binary?  There have been times today when the opening page looks like this is a gender identity forum.  

[Acrobat]

No, it's inconvenient, she has to walk out leave her stuff unattended, put her shoes on, worry about the door not closing on her, one of those automatic locks, etc..

It's more convenient for us if I can go directly into the changing room, since I have that privilege as a non-binary male, why not use it, the same way a cisgender female would do? Why should i have to go along with policies designed for cisgender men?

Ya know, some people go shopping for and try on clothes all by themselves and are able to handle it without assistance.  

You really seem to be looking for something to be offended about.

Just curious, how many more threads will you be starting on the subject of cis and non-binary?  There have been times today when the opening page looks like this is a gender identity forum.  

And some people like getting the second opinion of their husbands, sibling, shopping mate, etc when buying expensive clothes.

I like the topic of male/female gender identity, because there’s a lack of definitions as to what that means, so it’s interesting explore questions, such as what it does it mean to identify as male, or identify as female. I’m sure I’ll return to it again at some point in the future as well, but far now these are the only threads I had plannned.

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I could really care less what a man or a woman identifies AS. I care about what they are or what they are perceived to be.

If someone perceives you as being male, then you will be regarded as a male and treated accordingly.

No what you perceive my gender identify as doesn’t trump what I perceive my gender identity. My perception dictates which room I’m allowed to be in. In stores that have a more lgbtq inclusive policy, the fact that I perceive myself as non-binary, is sufficient reason for why I should be allowed in the female fitting room, not the sales associates or other customers perceptions of me as cisgender. My feelings dictate who I am not your perceptions.

Locker rooms where people are changing clothes are spaces generally divided by gender.

And this is progressively evolving to be by gender identity, rather than biological sex.

Just because a man cries while watching a romantic movie doesn't mean he's a woman. It means he has emotions and empathy and that makes him human.

Than what does it require for a biological man, to at least partly identify as the opposite gender, what if crying during romantic movies, an interest in cooking, nurturing, etc.. make him feel female? If this isn’t a sufficient enough basis to classify one as in part female, than what is? At what line can such a person define himself as non-binary?

Are you the arbiter of that? Or the persons whose forming their identity?

[Amarok]

Maybe we've grown up with different sizes when it comes to changing rooms, but the ones I grew up with are about as big as a bathroom stall. If the door has an automatic lock on it then her items are safe.

Which is why all the paranoia about trans people being their is silly 

Like it or not, there are male and female safe spaces in which people of one gender only expect to see people of their same gender in that space.

An it's idiotic and irrational 

Locker rooms where people are changing clothes are spaces generally divided by gender.

Which is foolish 

Until people get over their own hangups about being naked in front of strangers, (which will be a long fucking time), we'll continue to have these issues about spaces dedicated to certain genders.

Or not 

Just because a man cries while watching a romantic movie doesn't mean he's a woman. It means he has emotions and empathy and that makes him human.

While true that has nothing to do with anything 

Consider the changing room as a top secret area that you don't have clearance for. How bout that ?

How about no

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Ya know, some people go shopping for and try on clothes all by themselves and are able to handle it without assistance.  

And some don't 

You really seem to be looking for something to be offended about.

Not what i'm getting 

Just curious, how many more threads will you be starting on the subject of cis and non-binary?  There have been times today when the opening page looks like this is a gender identity forum.  

There are subjects far more worn out then this

[tackattack]

[Mr.Obvious]

Dunno @tackattack, i prefer the male toilets at work. Then again, where i work, women outnumber us like 4 to 1 and we have same amount of lavatories.

[EgoDeath]