Trump admin to decriminalize homosexuality

[EgoDeath]

I think it's a smart move by Trump.  He made his political career on trivializing the positions of the right, and now he will mimic a couple liberal memes to catch all the meme-tards.

And this is, again, why memes fail and why intelligent discourse MUST be the way of the day-- any meme, ANY, can basically be copy-pasted to show new affiliations, and because the positions are so shallow, there's really very little to distinguish a pro-gay-meming-Trump from a pro-gay-meming anything elase.

Do you mean that at face value we should expect Trump's "pro-gay stance" here to be as valid as anyone else's pro-gay stance? Not sure if I agree with that sentiment.

If that's not what you mean, care to explain more?

[Yonadav]

I think it's a smart move by Trump.  He made his political career on trivializing the positions of the right, and now he will mimic a couple liberal memes to catch all the meme-tards.

And this is, again, why memes fail and why intelligent discourse MUST be the way of the day-- any meme, ANY, can basically be copy-pasted to show new affiliations, and because the positions are so shallow, there's really very little to distinguish a pro-gay-meming-Trump from a pro-gay-meming anything elase.

Do you mean that at face value we should expect Trump's "pro-gay stance" here to be as valid as anyone else's pro-gay stance? Not sure if I agree with that sentiment.

If that's not what you mean, care to explain more?

Trump has made a number of nods to the Log Cabin Republicans. The LCR worldview is a bit different from the more widely publicized mainstream LGBT rhetoric. A lot of LCRs that I have known are hostile to things like the gay pride parades, because they think they are embarrassing. They tend to believe that gay men should look like men, dress like men, act like men, and should most definitely not act like flaming homosexuals. Your typical LCR is a white gay man who is deperately trying to prove to conservative Republicans that they are just like the conservative Republicans, only gay. LCRs have a bit of a history with trans bashing, so it is not surprising that the Trump administration was able to roll back trans rights without losing LCR support.

This is not the first favorable move that Trump has made toward the gay community. For example, he appointed an openly gay man to be US ambassador to Germany.

[EgoDeath]

Do you mean that at face value we should expect Trump's "pro-gay stance" here to be as valid as anyone else's pro-gay stance? Not sure if I agree with that sentiment.

If that's not what you mean, care to explain more?

Trump has made a number of nods to the Log Cabin Republicans. The LCR worldview is a bit different from the more widely publicized mainstream LGBT rhetoric. A lot of LCRs that I have known are hostile to things like the gay pride parades, because they think they are embarrassing. They tend to believe that gay men should look like men, dress like men, act like men, and should most definitely not act like flaming homosexuals. Your typical LCR is a white gay man who is deperately trying to prove to conservative Republicans that they are just like the conservative Republicans, only gay. LCRs have a bit of a history with trans bashing, so it is not surprising that the Trump administration was able to roll back trans rights without losing LCR support.

This is not the first favorable move that Trump has made toward the gay community. For example, he appointed an openly gay man to be US ambassador to Germany.

Hm, that's an interesting take. It's certainly not surprising to think that he's hoping to garner support from some moderates in 2020 either, though I won't pretend to understand today's political landscape in total. I suppose as long as we see results from this initiative though, I'm not sure I care what the admin's intentions are.

[Brian37]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nationa...d_nn_tw_ma

So I'm not sure if that has been posted yet, but the Trump administration is apparently planning to launch a global effort to decriminalize homosexuality in countries around the world. This is a strange turn of events considering how much the Trump administration has seemed to combat LGBT rights in the past, especially with the trans troop ban and the countless other times he's gone against the LGBT community.

Obviously, he's gotten some backlash from GLAAD and other organizations in reaction to the announcement of this campaign. The details are still being worked out but supposedly the administration is going to work with the UN on this.

Although the decriminalization strategy is still being hashed out, officials say it’s likely to include working with global organizations like the United Nations, the European Union and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, as well as other countries whose laws already allow for gay rights. Other U.S. embassies and diplomatic posts throughout Europe, including the U.S. Mission to the E.U., are involved, as is the State Department’s Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor.

What do you guys think? Obviously, I'm very, very suspicious of the intentions here - it just looks like Trump is using LGBT people to garner support for 2020. But honestly? If there is legitimate action taken in countries like Sudan where you can be killed for being gay, I'm not really concerned with Trump or his administration's intentions. If real action is taken and people's lives are saved, or if LGBT people are simply given a better quality of life through this initiative, I don't care what the intentions behind the campaign are.

Considering how he has sucked up to far right bigots and to the anti LGBT right wing, this seems like another act of desperation to save face. 

He's got SDNY on his ass, Mueller on his ass, his inauguration is being investigated too. He also reversed the transgender service allowance.

He once claimed to be a democrat long ago. So the truth is he is just a fucking bully, only wanted the power regardless whom it hurts. 

He is an opportunist.

[EgoDeath]

Considering how he has sucked up to far right bigots and to the anti LGBT right wing, this seems like another act of desperation to save face. 

He's got SDNY on his ass, Mueller on his ass, his inauguration is being investigated too. He also reversed the transgender service allowance.

He once claimed to be a democrat long ago. So the truth is he is just a fucking bully, only wanted the power regardless whom it hurts. 

He is an opportunist.

He didn't claim to be a Democrat, he WAS a Democrat.

Trump was a registered Democrat from August 2001 through September 2009.

And I'm okay with opportunism so long as it produces results for the LGBT communities of the world. I'm not sure I necessarily see it happening, but if it does, great.

[bennyboy]

Do you mean that at face value we should expect Trump's "pro-gay stance" here to be as valid as anyone else's pro-gay stance? Not sure if I agree with that sentiment.

If that's not what you mean, care to explain more?

I mean that in group politics these days, group membership is contingent not on BEING a certain kind of person, but on expressing the memes of that group. A couple shots of Trump at a Cher impersonation contest, another one wearing a rainbow pin, and I suspect millions of leftists will just moo their way to another easy Trump victory.

I have to say, though, that before Trump went insane, he was generally considered among the left-wing rich guys, kind of along with Warren Buffet. He almost certainly decided to run as a Republican, because their memes were clearer at that time: "Keep out the brown people" itself was pretty much enough for the win.

But I'm willing to believe that despite his political affiliations, he's pretty okay with gay people. To be honest, I'm not even sure I believe the guy is racist, or sexist, or homophobic. He's an asshole, and a narcissist, but I think he's far too focused on himself to really care what anybody else is doing so long as it doesn't affect him directly.

[EgoDeath]

Oka

Do you mean that at face value we should expect Trump's "pro-gay stance" here to be as valid as anyone else's pro-gay stance? Not sure if I agree with that sentiment.

If that's not what you mean, care to explain more?

I mean that in group politics these days, group membership is contingent not on BEING a certain kind of person, but on expressing the memes of that group.  A couple shots of Trump at a Cher impersonation contest, another one wearing a rainbow pin, and I suspect millions of leftists will just moo their way to another easy Trump victory.

I have to say, though, that before Trump went insane, he was generally considered among the left-wing rich guys, kind of along with Warren Buffet.  He almost certainly decided to run as a Republican, because their memes were clearer at that time: "Keep out the brown people" itself was pretty much enough for the win.

But I'm willing to believe that despite his political affiliations, he's pretty okay with gay people.  To be honest, I'm not even sure I believe the guy is racist, or sexist, or homophobic.  He's an asshole, and a narcissist, but I think he's far too focused on himself to really care what anybody else is doing so long as it doesn't affect him directly.

Yea, I agree. This is my opinion only, but I think Trump's personal beliefs probably don't have a whole lot to do with what he does to gain power. He does, as you implied, seem to be a serious egomaniac. Historically, he's openly been a Democrat, but as you said, I think he was practicing opportunism as its finest by running as a Republican.

[Cepheus Ace]

is it actual decriminalization or an excuse to invade other countries to steal their resources?

we had trump's national security advisor and mustache who grew a man John Bolton say on camera that Venezuela will be invaded for oil