No reason justifies disbelief.

[LadyForCamus]

Smells trolly in here.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Smells trolly in here.

Should be a hanging offence.

[downbeatplumb]

Any reason which causes disbelief would be intellectual dishonesty.

Reason does not cause disbelief. Such claims are ridiculous.

And you don't justify your disbelief, rudeness and hate with claims of being reasonable.

What do you mean?

[Succubus]

I read the whole thread, and now I'm in hospital with a brain haemorrhage from all the face-palming. It's got to be trolling surely.

Aye, and the most pathetic cringingly embarrassing attempt at trolling I've seen in a long while.

Or a sock taking the piss.

[Shell B]

Any reason which causes disbelief would be intellectual dishonesty.

Reason does not cause disbelief. Such claims are ridiculous.

And you don't justify your disbelief, rudeness and hate with claims of being reasonable.

I'm not sure your post makes a whole lot of sense.

[The Valkyrie]

Smells trolly in here.

Certainly getting there.

[Duty]

'I don't know' is not only a perfectly valid answer, it's the only honest one (not that someone can't have an opinion on the available hypotheses). Agnostico made a whole thread about the argument from ignorance.

Logic and sound reason would suggest a creator though.

No, because there is an infinite train of regress RE who created the creator? Who created the creator's creator? Who created the creator's creator's creator etc.

[Shell B]

It does seem enough like instigating that I would lean in that direction. Trolls be trolling.

[GUBU]

Any reason which causes disbelief would be intellectual dishonesty.

Reason does not cause disbelief. Such claims are ridiculous.

And you don't justify your disbelief, rudeness and hate with claims of being reasonable.

So because we fail to believe your bullshit, we're unreasoning.

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that's a new one. Please define reasoned disbelief @BrianSoddingBoru4

Disbelief where the known facts are consistent with with disbelief. For example, what we know about the universe is very strongly suggestive that the existence of a deity type being is both unnecessary and not factually correct. Therefore disbelief in that deity is reasoned.

And not one thing I said above is inconsistent with the known facts.

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Yes that helps. I always saw it as belief is a threshold thing. You either had justification or it didn't meet a level of criteria. If it surpassed your threshold you believed, if you didn't your disbelieved. You make it sound here as if you're positively positing arguments against nothing.

You've it the wrong way round. You believe when you want proposition X to be true, but you have insufficient evidence to back it up, or evidence shows that it is false. When you have sufficient evidence you don't believe, you accept.

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Smells trolly in here.

Should be a hanging offence.

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[The Grand Nudger]

I have a favorite example.  Every morning I walk into the bathroom and take a shit.  Then, the sun rises.  No need to thank me, yet another service I provide.

Does anyone believe that my morning shit causes the sun to rise?  No.  Is their positive disbelief in that claim reasoned?  Hard yes.

For a direct analog. Does anyone believe that a god played around in the mud and that's how people were made? Hilariously, yes. Is positive disbelief in that claim reasoned? Hard yes. Even if there were gods, it didn't happen like that..in the same way that my taking a shit every morning being a factual claim doesn't alter the truth status of the claim tat said shit causes the sun to rise. In a similar vein, even if there were some reason or cause to all things in existence, it won't alter the truth status of the second half of every creator™ claim - that said reason or cause was an anthropomorphic misunderstanding of the universe and events as a whole.

I suspect that, instinctively, even the most devout fairy believer knows this. They don't want to bicker about fairies, after all. They prefer to argue for "causes". Caused shit has causes, the suns rising in the morning has a cause too..just not my morning shit. If the universe has a cause...then it has a cause, but that doesn't change the fact that this cause isn't the mental turd some lovingly call a creator™