I need to be amongst my own kind

[Destroya27]

Alright, so after a number of days consisting of one word acknowledgments and awkward silences (also, the fact that neither of us ever seem to be in the room at the same time for an extended period of time), he finally approached me today and asked me whether I was still pissed at the religion discussion from days ago, to which I told him to forget about it. He then hands me a sheet of paper with some writing on it, saying that he found it online, and simply asks me to look it over and think about it for a little while, before heading off to class. I gave it a read and what I found was that I wasn't the least bit angry about this anymore but rather mesmerized by how anybody could really be this stupid. The sheet of paper contained a list of things that supposedly prove the existence of God. I will now type the exact contents of this list:

Do you think its a coincidence that...

of billions of stars and planets in the many galaxies, only earth has life, and abundance of it?

the sun is 400 times the size of the earth's moon, 400 times further away from earth than the moon, yet they look both proportionally the same size in our sky?

the sun lights the days nicely, while the moon glimmers in the night sweetly and the clouds bring forth rain to water our crops, which bring forth food in your stomach?

Do you think its a coincidence that...

birds in the air whistle sweet songs and dogs show unconditional love?

your body heals naturally when you cut yourself, or you become sick and it goes away?

humans have intangible senses, called emotions where we feel love, hate, anger, sadness, happiness, shock, confused, hurt, healed, and so forth?

Do you think its a coincidence that...

you were born from a lady's womb and you will die a death, without choice of either?

the complexity of dna is so mind boggling, that scientists worldwide now have gone from 'no god' to claiming a "Divine Creator"? (read)

your body's anatomy is complex, so fine and so articulate that you wonder how this "accident" came to be?

Do you think its a coincidence that...


there are endless variety of delicious fruits, vegetables, nuts, wheats to make infinite delicious recipes to satisfy our hunger?

there are thousands and thousands of exotic amazing land animals and thousands more amazing sea creatures?

you have eyes so you can see, ears so you can hear, heart so you can feel, mind so you can think?

Do you think its a coincidence that...

there are thousands of recovered artifacts proving the validity of Scripture, the Holy Bible itself?

those who have faith in Jesus Christ witness miracles, worldwide?

almost all Old Testament prophecies have been already fulfilled and more continue being fulfilled?

Do you think its a coincidence that...

a farmer plants the seeds, yet the farmer does not make the seed grow and the farmer never initially created the seed?

that fruits and vegetables have seeds so that they produce more fruits and vegetables?

your body needs vitamins and nutrients found in GOD's natural foods such as fruits, vegetables, fish, meat, wheat?

Do you think its a coincidence that...

your calendar says that the current year is 2009? What happened 2009 years ago? (Apparently the list is a few years old)



Needless to say, I am now more of an atheist than ever before and despite not wanting to go on another tirade with him, I simply must say something to him about this because there was not a single claim that invoked any thought from me whatsoever. If things go as I figure they will, it looks like the notion of the theist/atheist sitcom may become a reality. You all seem much more experienced than I do when it comes to debating theists so I was wondering if you've come across these claims before?

PS- I just copied and pasted the above context into the google search bar and found out where it came from, so in case anyone was interested: http://www.talkjesus.com/get-saved-now/1...heist.html

I wonder if he's a member there.

[Minimalist]

there are thousands of recovered artifacts proving the validity of Scripture, the Holy Bible itself?

those who have faith in Jesus Christ witness miracles, worldwide?

almost all Old Testament prophecies have been already fulfilled and more continue being fulfilled?

A- Tell him to sign up for an archaeology course and find out how wrong he is.

B- People who believe in invisible sky-daddys are delusional. Where are these alleged miracles?

c- He knows as little about history as he does about archaeology. IN the last 30 years the OT has been trashed by modern scholarship.

Print this out and give it to him....or shove it up his ass.

http://www.worldagesarchive.com/Referenc...ers%29.htm

In the last quarter century or so, archaeologists have seen one settled assumption after another concerning who the ancient Israelites were and where they came from proved false. Rather than a band of invaders who fought their way into the Holy Land, the Israelites are now thought to have been an 'indigenous culture that developed west of the Jordan River around 1200 B.C. Abraham, Isaac, and the other patriarchs appear to have been spliced together out of various pieces of local lore.

The Davidic Empire, which archaeologists once thought as incontrovertible as the Roman, is now seen as an invention of Jerusalem-based priests in the seventh and eighth centuries B.C. who were eager to burnish their national history. The religion we call Judaism does not reach well back into the second millennium B.C. but appears to be, at most, a product of the mid-first.

[theVOID]

LOL I can't say i'm that surprised by the naivety of the questions but it's good for a laugh.

[muhtesem insan]

Is it just me or you guys find ironic that all these religions hate each other uses same arguments? (same is true for nationalists)

[Thor]

Alright, so after a number of days consisting of one word acknowledgments and awkward silences (also, the fact that neither of us ever seem to be in the room at the same time for an extended period of time), he finally approached me today and asked me whether I was still pissed at the religion discussion from days ago, to which I told him to forget about it. He then hands me a sheet of paper with some writing on it, saying that he found it online, and simply asks me to look it over and think about it for a little while, before heading off to class. I gave it a read and what I found was that I wasn't the least bit angry about this anymore but rather mesmerized by how anybody could really be this stupid. The sheet of paper contained a list of things that supposedly prove the existence of God. I will now type the exact contents of this list:

Okay, let's start picking this bullshit apart...

Do you think its a coincidence that...

of billions of stars and planets in the many galaxies, only earth has life, and abundance of it?

What kind of crap is this? Have we EXPLORED every planet in the universe? Then how can anyone make a claim like this? This would be comparable to someone living on an island in the middle of the Pacific saying "Is it a coincidence that of all the land masses on the Earth, this is the only one that contains life?" when that person has never ventured off the island! What abject stupidity!

the sun is 400 times the size of the earth's moon, 400 times further away from earth than the moon, yet they look both proportionally the same size in our sky?

Yes, this is why the moon covers the sun during an eclipse. And this proves.....?

the sun lights the days nicely, while the moon glimmers in the night sweetly and the clouds bring forth rain to water our crops, which bring forth food in your stomach?

Sometimes the moon is out during the day and sometimes there is no moon at night. And, yes, the rain waters the crops which we eat. And your point is......?

Do you think its a coincidence that...

birds in the air whistle sweet songs and dogs show unconditional love?

Birds sing to communicate territorial claims, warnings and to find a mate. Dogs show love to people who care for them, IF they have been trained right. How many people are killed or badly injured in dog attacks every year?

your body heals naturally when you cut yourself, or you become sick and it goes away?

How about when the body DOESN'T heal itself, or the sickness DOESN'T go away?

humans have intangible senses, called emotions where we feel love, hate, anger, sadness, happiness, shock, confused, hurt, healed, and so forth?

Yes, humans have emotions. And your point is....?

Do you think its a coincidence that...

you were born from a lady's womb and you will die a death, without choice of either?

Yes, we are born and we die. So what?

the complexity of dna is so mind boggling, that scientists worldwide now have gone from 'no god' to claiming a "Divine Creator"? (read)

Pure crappola. Where are scientists claiming "divine creation" because of "DNA complexity"? Source?

your body's anatomy is complex, so fine and so articulate that you wonder how this "accident" came to be?

No, I don't wonder how my body "came to be". I KNOW how it came to be. It's a process called "evolution".

Do you think its a coincidence that...


there are endless variety of delicious fruits, vegetables, nuts, wheats to make infinite delicious recipes to satisfy our hunger?

Gee, food exists! How about that? If it didn't, none of us would be here! Next...

there are thousands and thousands of exotic amazing land animals and thousands more amazing sea creatures?

Yes, the variety of life spawned by the evolutionary process is amazing...

you have eyes so you can see, ears so you can hear, heart so you can feel, mind so you can think?

Wow! We have eyes, ears and a brain! So do rats, vultures and crocodiles. Oh, and we do not "feel" with our heart. It pumps blood.

Do you think its a coincidence that...

there are thousands of recovered artifacts proving the validity of Scripture, the Holy Bible itself?

those who have faith in Jesus Christ witness miracles, worldwide?

almost all Old Testament prophecies have been already fulfilled and more continue being fulfilled?

Min did a good job of shooting down this garbage.

Do you think its a coincidence that...

a farmer plants the seeds, yet the farmer does not make the seed grow and the farmer never initially created the seed?

Gee, the farmer plants a seed and something grows! And seeds grow all the time without help from anybody! And, no, the farmer did not create the seed. So what?

that fruits and vegetables have seeds so that they produce more fruits and vegetables?

What utter idiocy! If plants didn't produce seeds they would cease to exist.

your body needs vitamins and nutrients found in GOD's natural foods such as fruits, vegetables, fish, meat, wheat?

Wow.... the things our bodies need to survive are found in foods. Imagine that....

Do you think its a coincidence that...

your calendar says that the current year is 2009? What happened 2009 years ago? (Apparently the list is a few years old)

What is this supposed to prove? The Common Era didn't actually begin until centuries after Jesus supposedly lived. This reference to the year fell into common usage and has been adopted across the globe for convenience. Some cultures use different years which vary widely.

This list is a steaming pile of manure that might impress a deluded believer, but if you examine it you'll realize there's no substance here whatsoever.

[thesummerqueen]

You're forgetting that most of the seeds grown by man right now for our food wouldn't even survive in the wild because they have been so altered that they need our specific care. If that douche mentions the banana argument, I might scream.