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RE: PSA: Slurs
April 26, 2019 at 7:46 pm
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(April 26, 2019 at 6:41 pm)pocaracas Wrote:
(April 26, 2019 at 4:55 pm)Thena323 Wrote: What about "Time to die, bitch!"?
All self defense experts agree that the best defense is not being there. You run, if threatened.
The existence of a threat and an aggressive intent by whoever said that makes self defense viable.
The utterance of those words without threat of violence is what I meant and you lot know it well, as it's the case being discussed in this thread.
That post was meant to be tongue-in-cheek, Poca.
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RE: PSA: Slurs
April 26, 2019 at 8:00 pm
(April 26, 2019 at 7:39 pm)Thena323 Wrote: (April 26, 2019 at 5:17 pm)Yonadav Wrote: Was he drunk? I don't know. Do you know that? He was angry. He was saying something about one of them nearly running him over.
I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for him either. His conduct was certainly disorderly. Racist instigator? I don't know. People use the most offensive words they can come up with when they are angry. That doesn't make them racist instigators. It just makes them angry people who are saying hurtful things. If he's a racist instigator, then so are a whole bunch of black people who say racist things about white people when they get angry. But I usually don't see them as racist instigators. I just see them as being angry people who are intentionally saying offensive things because they are angry.
His speech sounded quite drunk to me.
Though, the ignoring of insurmountable odds while screaming "You...Monkey-azz muhfuggin N**GER-azz!" into bar full of black patrons is kind of a dead giveaway too.
Of drunken bravado.
Anyhow, I'm quite comfortable concluding that this guy is/was a racist instigator, despite your adamance that he "probably didn't mean it". And how you view Black people's comments about white people is of no consequence in the matter. You were entirely too eager to create a false analogy earlier in this thread in mischaracterizing a reaction to racist acts as racism itself.
Makes it rather hard to take your musings on what's racist seriously.
Now hold on there, Thena. I have not adamantly said that the guy didn't mean his racist slur. He might have. I don't know. I know that people say horrible things when they are angry-- both black people and white people. Black people have called me horrible names, and I have never assaulted any of them for it. So I'm sorry, but I don't see this white guy who said the racial slur as being any different than the black people that I have heard using racial slurs. It's the same thing, and I wish that everyone would knock it off.
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RE: PSA: Hate Speech
April 26, 2019 at 8:10 pm
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Yes, people say horrible things when they're angry. Racists say horrible racist things when they're angry. That's the difference between an angry racist and an angry person, lol.
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RE: PSA: Hate Speech
April 26, 2019 at 8:36 pm
(April 26, 2019 at 8:10 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Yes, people say horrible things when they're angry. Racists say horrible racist things when they're angry. That's the difference between an angry racist and an angry person, lol.
#rocketscience
So you think that anyone who says a racial slur when they are angry is a racist? Personally, I don't. If I did, I would have to think that all of the black people that I have heard use racist slurs were racists. I don't really think that they are racists. Some of them probably are. But I think that most of them aren't really.
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RE: PSA: Hate Speech
April 26, 2019 at 8:40 pm
(April 26, 2019 at 8:36 pm)Yonadav Wrote: (April 26, 2019 at 8:10 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Yes, people say horrible things when they're angry. Racists say horrible racist things when they're angry. That's the difference between an angry racist and an angry person, lol.
#rocketscience
So you think that anyone who says a racial slur when they are angry is a racist? Personally, I don't. If I did, I would have to think that all of the black people that I have heard use racist slurs were racists. I don't really think that they are racists. Some of them probably are. But I think that most of them aren't really.
There are many words that someone can say when they are angry. I find that saying fuck, oh fuck or fuck off covers those times nicely.
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RE: PSA: Hate Speech
April 26, 2019 at 8:59 pm
The primary attribute of fast and harsh judgment is intellectual laziness. "You said X, so you are a racist." It's quick; it's easy; it's lazy.
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RE: PSA: Hate Speech
April 26, 2019 at 9:12 pm
Yeah sure, but you didn't rule out it's accuracy. Fuckin racist, lol.
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RE: PSA: Hate Speech
April 26, 2019 at 9:50 pm
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(April 26, 2019 at 8:36 pm)Yonadav Wrote: (April 26, 2019 at 8:10 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Yes, people say horrible things when they're angry. Racists say horrible racist things when they're angry. That's the difference between an angry racist and an angry person, lol.
#rocketscience
So you think that anyone who says a racial slur when they are angry is a racist?
Um, yes.
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RE: PSA: Hate Speech
April 26, 2019 at 10:29 pm
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Quote:The primary attribute of fast and harsh judgment is intellectual laziness.
Nope it the attribute of someone who sees something worth a fast harsh judgement wither or not they are lazy is aside the point .
Quote:"You said X, so you are a racist." It's quick; it's easy; it's lazy.
Nope it's honest as recognizing racism doesn't require a PHD
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RE: PSA: Slurs
April 26, 2019 at 10:31 pm
(April 26, 2019 at 8:00 pm)Yonadav Wrote: (April 26, 2019 at 7:39 pm)Thena323 Wrote: His speech sounded quite drunk to me.
Though, the ignoring of insurmountable odds while screaming "You...Monkey-azz muhfuggin N**GER-azz!" into bar full of black patrons is kind of a dead giveaway too.
Of drunken bravado.
Anyhow, I'm quite comfortable concluding that this guy is/was a racist instigator, despite your adamance that he "probably didn't mean it". And how you view Black people's comments about white people is of no consequence in the matter. You were entirely too eager to create a false analogy earlier in this thread in mischaracterizing a reaction to racist acts as racism itself.
Makes it rather hard to take your musings on what's racist seriously.
Now hold on there, Thena. I have not adamantly said that the guy didn't mean his racist slur. He might have. I don't know. I know that people say horrible things when they are angry-- both black people and white people. Black people have called me horrible names, and I have never assaulted any of them for it. So I'm sorry, but I don't see this white guy who said the racial slur as being any different than the black people that I have heard using racial slurs. It's the same thing, and I wish that everyone would knock it off.
First of all, I'll remind you that I've made it quite clear that I don't think that assaulting someone is the appropriate response to be called a slur multiple times in this thread.
However, I did make it known that I do regard "some old guy" as a racist instigator, which you apparently to take tremendous issue with. Your reasoning essentially amounted to "Those who use slurs aren't really racist; they're just "angry", to "Everyone's racist, really" to "Well no...not really" and back around to more Whataboutism all in an effort to have me parrot your your narrative that black and whites in the US essentially experience racism at he same level. You simply cannot abide my saying that this guy or any other white guy is racist without me qualifying it by saying that white folks have it just as bad if not worse.
Well I don't believe that, Yon. Not in general terms.
It is what it was.
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