Christian utopia?

[CDF47]

"The principles being referred to that are in the U.S. Constitution are how our laws were inspired by the moral principles of the Ten Commandments, and how the Blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity (principles of freedom) were inspired by the biblical principles of free will, individualism, personal responsibility, moral conduct, and so forth.

George Mason was one of the Founding Fathers that insisted on the Bill of Rights, or the first ten amendments, to be added to the Constitution, saying regarding his decision that, "The laws of nature are the laws of God, whose authority can be superseded by no power on earth."

Ok, a couple of things.

1.  You're quoting Kirk Cameron, former actor and well-known idiot. His views on the matter count for less than nothing.

2.  George Mason was, if anything, an advocate of natural law as it pertains to human liberty. 

But your quote above doesn't actually answer my question.  Plenty of non-Christian as well as pre-Christian societies have advocated much the same things.  What is unique to Christianity that is also in your founding documents?  Bear in mind, that the Declaration doesn't have the force of law - it was and remains a rather beautiful piece of rhetoric, but it isn't law in the sense that the Constitution is.

In point of fact, it is a matter of law that your government isn't founded on Christian principles.

Boru

He is not an idiot.  

I provided information on that.  Below is more information from the source i quoted.

http://kirkcameron.com/articles/u-s-cons...principles

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Ok, a couple of things.

1.  You're quoting Kirk Cameron, former actor and well-known idiot. His views on the matter count for less than nothing.

2.  George Mason was, if anything, an advocate of natural law as it pertains to human liberty. 

But your quote above doesn't actually answer my question.  Plenty of non-Christian as well as pre-Christian societies have advocated much the same things.  What is unique to Christianity that is also in your founding documents?  Bear in mind, that the Declaration doesn't have the force of law - it was and remains a rather beautiful piece of rhetoric, but it isn't law in the sense that the Constitution is.

In point of fact, it is a matter of law that your government isn't founded on Christian principles.

Boru

He is not an idiot.  

I provided information on that.  Below is more information from the source i quoted.

http://kirkcameron.com/articles/u-s-cons...principles

Yes, I perused a few articles.

Kirk Cameron's refutation of evolution is that there is no such thing as a crocoduck.  He's an idiot studying to be a moron and failing the exams.

Boru

[The Valkyrie]

Ok, a couple of things.

1.  You're quoting Kirk Cameron, former actor and well-known idiot. His views on the matter count for less than nothing.

2.  George Mason was, if anything, an advocate of natural law as it pertains to human liberty. 

But your quote above doesn't actually answer my question.  Plenty of non-Christian as well as pre-Christian societies have advocated much the same things.  What is unique to Christianity that is also in your founding documents?  Bear in mind, that the Declaration doesn't have the force of law - it was and remains a rather beautiful piece of rhetoric, but it isn't law in the sense that the Constitution is.

In point of fact, it is a matter of law that your government isn't founded on Christian principles.

Boru

He is not an idiot.  

I provided information on that.  Below is more information from the source i quoted.

http://kirkcameron.com/articles/u-s-cons...principles

Yeah, he's an idiot.

He works with Ray Comfort, a creationist other creationists laugh at.

He proposed the "crocaduck" as evidence against evolution, in the same video where the aforementioned Ray Comforted called the banana the "atheist nightmare".

When it was pointed out to him that many of the element used to celebrate Christmas and Easter were taken from the pagan religions, he stated that it was likely the pagans who stole thise traditions from Christianity. You know, those damned pagan religions with their time machines that predate Christianity by centuries.

[CDF47]

He is not an idiot.  

I provided information on that.  Below is more information from the source i quoted.

http://kirkcameron.com/articles/u-s-cons...principles

Yes, I perused a few articles.

Kirk Cameron's refutation of evolution is that there is no such thing as a crocoduck.  He's an idiot studying to be a moron and failing the exams.

Boru

Where do you think he is wrong about evolution?

[The Valkyrie]

Yes, I perused a few articles.

Kirk Cameron's refutation of evolution is that there is no such thing as a crocoduck.  He's an idiot studying to be a moron and failing the exams.

Boru

Where do you think he is wrong about evolution?

The parts between the start and finish of his comments on the subject.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Yes, I perused a few articles.

Kirk Cameron's refutation of evolution is that there is no such thing as a crocoduck.  He's an idiot studying to be a moron and failing the exams.

Boru

Where do you think he is wrong about evolution?

In a very real sense, he isn't wrong about evolution, because he doesn't know what evolution is.

In a more prosaic sense, he's wrong about mutation, genetic drift, sexual selection, environmental pressure, fossils, radiometric dating, allele frequencies, game theory, taxonomy, co-evolution, extinction, geology, cosmology, abiogenesis, molecular evolution, population dynamics, group selection, the fitness landscape, paleoeverything, and common descent.

Other than that, he's the dog's balls.

Boru

[vulcanlogician]

It would probably be pretty Mennonite or Amish like. I could see the government working like a Quaker universalist meeting. Or maybe Quaker mixed with communism and egalitarianism, where everyone has a respectful say and it is relinquished to some trusteds to do for all, maybe by vote. idk, never really thought about it.
-added for clarity @Aegon no, definately not,IMO. Best we got, maybe. Utopia, hells to the no.

A universalist Quaker theocracy would be the only kind of theocracy I'd ever trust. And as a supporter nonviolence/pacifism, I think it would be the closest any theocracy could come to Utopia.

Of course, all things being equal, a secular government trumps all theocracies... but if I had to pick a theocracy, that'd be the one.

[CDF47]

Where do you think he is wrong about evolution?

In a very real sense, he isn't wrong about evolution, because he doesn't know what evolution is.

In a more prosaic sense, he's wrong about mutation, genetic drift, sexual selection, environmental pressure, fossils, radiometric dating, allele frequencies, game theory, taxonomy, co-evolution, extinction, geology, cosmology, abiogenesis, molecular evolution, population dynamics, group selection, the fitness landscape, paleoeverything, and common descent.

Other than that, he's the dog's balls.

Boru

LMAO.  Great list!

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It would probably be pretty Mennonite or Amish like. I could see the government working like a Quaker universalist meeting. Or maybe Quaker mixed with communism and egalitarianism, where everyone has a respectful say and it is relinquished to some trusteds to do for all, maybe by vote. idk, never really thought about it.
-added for clarity @Aegon no, definately not,IMO. Best we got, maybe. Utopia, hells to the no.

A universalist Quaker theocracy would be the only kind of theocracy I'd ever trust. And as a supporter nonviolence/pacifism, I think it would be the closest any theocracy could come to Utopia.

Of course, all things being equal, a secular government trumps all theocracies... but if I had to pick a theocracy, that'd be the one.

Interesting.  Why a universalist Quaker theocracy? I mean, why do you trust it.  I wouldn't trust any theocracy.  Before you know it, people will be burning at the stake.  Only theocracy I support is when the Lord returns.  

I support non-violence as well.  However, I support self-defense and defense of nation.  As a pacifist what is your take on self-defense and defense of country?

[Fake Messiah]

you are thinking of catholicism not christianity.

Yeah, blame it on me for not picking "right" Christianity.

divorce is allowed in christianity and in the bible

Tell it to Mormons and Catholics.

How can you be so wrong about christian values if you hate them so much? could it be you have no real idea of what you hate and mock? Could it be you completely rely on stereotype and a blind racist type of anger based on ignorance and vitriol.

Yes I hate Christianity because, according to you, I chose Catholicism as a model for Christian state and, again according to you, that is not a real Christianity, so it rather seems that it is you who hates Christianity.

And yeah I'm the problem and not the fact that adherents of all versions of Christianity claim they are doing what God wants and reject all others as genuine Christians.

So this is what it actually means when Christians say that society is becoming more secular and further from Christian values: they blame secularists for their own inability to decide what real Christianity really is.

[Amarok]

"The principles being referred to that are in the U.S. Constitution are how our laws were inspired by the moral principles of the Ten Commandments,

Nope based on secular enlightenment philosophy 

and how the Blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity (principles of freedom) were inspired by the biblical principles of free will, individualism, personal responsibility, moral conduct, and so forth.

None of which are biblical and all of which come from secular idea's

George Mason was one of the Founding Fathers that insisted on the Bill of Rights, or the first ten amendments, to be added to the Constitution, saying regarding his decision that, "The laws of nature are the laws of God, whose authority can be superseded by no power on earth."

So what it didn't happen nor did the others agree . The US constitution is a 100% secular document .

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How can you be so wrong about christian values if you hate them so much? could it be you have no real idea of what you hate and mock? Could it be you completely rely on stereotype and a blind racist type of anger based on ignorance and vitriol.

Or we do and you don't like the facts we show

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Where do you think he is wrong about evolution?

everything

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You know that xtians given a free reign would devise a society that sucked like an Electrolux.

Which you'd expect from a group that thinks everything gets better once you die.

That way, croaking seems like an improvement.

I disagree.  I think the US was founded on many Christian principals.  Not that all the signers were Christian but Chrisitan principals are definitely found in the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution.

Neither

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Just as an example, ",...that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,..."

Read the rest were it makes it clear they aren't talking about a god