(May 14, 2019 at 3:27 pm)Drich Wrote:

(May 14, 2019 at 1:51 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Christians every day complain that society is getting too secular and more distant from being Christian, but let's say Christians get it their way that society gets more "Christian" or let's say today some people decide to make some peace of land to be governed by Christians for Christians to make it as most Christian as they can and therefore form their laws on Christian beliefs to, I guess, please God.

What would it look like? What would be allowed and what would be forbidden? Can anyone make a clear picture?

And perhaps some of you would be tempted to say "it would be like in medieval times" but world did change a lot since then, human knowledge did grow as did technology, but if you think it would all go in an instant to middle ages then be it.

Here are some of my guesses based on what seem to be Christian desires and obsessions:

Abortion would be forbidden.
Contraception would be forbidden.
Only religious songs would be allowed.
LGBTQ people would be executed.
Divorce would be forbidden.
Dancing would be strictly supervised.
Creationism would be taught in schools.
There wouldn't be democracy but rather religious leaders would govern chosen by holy ghost.
There would be cameras everywhere and people in charge who would monitor if someone is masturbating.

Uh... no.

Abortion would be deregulated nation wide. meaning it is not mandated for every state to allow abortions. it would mean each state got to choose which state wanted to do abortions and which states did not have to do them, just like it was before roe v wade.

All we want is the right for like minded people to come together as a community and set rules to govern our selves. the less the government is involved the better.

2) you are thinking of catholicism not christianity. in the bible there is no prohibition meaning it is not for procreation only thus allowing for contraception. catholics believe sex is only for reproductive purposes only

3) again what church have you been too? now you sound like a southern baptist.

4) divorce is allowed in christianity and in the bible. if a spouce in unfaithful to her or his vows then a biblical divorce is allowed.

4) creationism would be taught along side evolution, as the two can be taught in such a way as to not conflict.

5) their would be a democracy again just think back to our greatest generation/the WWII generation. while not perfect both the "dims and republicans where represented in the congress and white house alike.

6) no that what the dims want.. cameras everywhere/control of the people. With in a christian government we believe what you do is between you and God.

How can you be so wrong about christian values if you hate them so much? could it be you have no real idea of what you hate and mock? Could it be you completely rely on stereotype and a blind racist type of anger based on ignorance and vitriol.

Think 1940 to 1960 pop culture and social interactions, now allow progression of society in race and gender equality. but maintain the family and personal dignity and have people grow up seeking to serve God country family THEN neighbor and Finally self.

Self and what makes you feel good is the only guideline now.

Agreed.  Great post.

You know that xtians given a free reign would devise a society that sucked like an Electrolux.

Which you'd expect from a group that thinks everything gets better once you die.

That way, croaking seems like an improvement.

(May 14, 2019 at 3:36 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: You know that xtians given a free reign would devise a society that sucked like an Electrolux.

Which you'd expect from a group that thinks everything gets better once you die.

That way, croaking seems like an improvement.

I disagree.  I think the US was founded on many Christian principals.  Not that all the signers were Christian but Chrisitan principals are definitely found in the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution.

(May 14, 2019 at 4:09 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 14, 2019 at 3:36 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: You know that xtians given a free reign would devise a society that sucked like an Electrolux.

Which you'd expect from a group that thinks everything gets better once you die.

That way, croaking seems like an improvement.

I disagree.  I think the US was founded on many Christian principals.  Not that all the signers were Christian but Chrisitan principals are definitely found in the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution.

Which principles, specifically?

Boru

(May 14, 2019 at 4:15 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(May 14, 2019 at 4:09 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I disagree.  I think the US was founded on many Christian principals.  Not that all the signers were Christian but Chrisitan principals are definitely found in the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution.

Which principles, specifically?

Boru

Nearly all of them.  Which ones do you have a problem with?

(May 14, 2019 at 4:18 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 14, 2019 at 4:15 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Which principles, specifically?

Boru

Nearly all of them.  Which ones do you have a problem with?

I don't, I'd just like for you to list the Christian principles you think are in the Declaration and the Constitution.

Boru

(May 14, 2019 at 4:21 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(May 14, 2019 at 4:18 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Nearly all of them.  Which ones do you have a problem with?

I don't, I'd just like for you to list the Christian principles you think are in the Declaration and the Constitution.

Boru

Just as an example, ",...that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,..."

(May 14, 2019 at 4:28 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 14, 2019 at 4:21 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I don't, I'd just like for you to list the Christian principles you think are in the Declaration and the Constitution.

Boru

Just as an example, ",...that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,..."

But that's not a Christian principle.

Boru

(May 14, 2019 at 4:39 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(May 14, 2019 at 4:28 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Just as an example, ",...that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,..."

But that's not a Christian principle.

Boru

"The principles being referred to that are in the U.S. Constitution are how our laws were inspired by the moral principles of the Ten Commandments, and how the Blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity (principles of freedom) were inspired by the biblical principles of free will, individualism, personal responsibility, moral conduct, and so forth.

George Mason was one of the Founding Fathers that insisted on the Bill of Rights, or the first ten amendments, to be added to the Constitution, saying regarding his decision that, "The laws of nature are the laws of God, whose authority can be superseded by no power on earth."

(May 14, 2019 at 5:09 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 14, 2019 at 4:39 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: But that's not a Christian principle.

Boru

"The principles being referred to that are in the U.S. Constitution are how our laws were inspired by the moral principles of the Ten Commandments, and how the Blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity (principles of freedom) were inspired by the biblical principles of free will, individualism, personal responsibility, moral conduct, and so forth.

George Mason was one of the Founding Fathers that insisted on the Bill of Rights, or the first ten amendments, to be added to the Constitution, saying regarding his decision that, "The laws of nature are the laws of God, whose authority can be superseded by no power on earth."

Ok, a couple of things.

1.  You're quoting Kirk Cameron, former actor and well-known idiot. His views on the matter count for less than nothing.

2.  George Mason was, if anything, an advocate of natural law as it pertains to human liberty. 

But your quote above doesn't actually answer my question.  Plenty of non-Christian as well as pre-Christian societies have advocated much the same things.  What is unique to Christianity that is also in your founding documents?  Bear in mind, that the Declaration doesn't have the force of law - it was and remains a rather beautiful piece of rhetoric, but it isn't law in the sense that the Constitution is.

In point of fact, it is a matter of law that your government isn't founded on Christian principles.

Boru