What is next for the United States?

[viocjit]

Sorry, I wasn’t sure if this belonged in news or politics so I just guessed. I can move it if I need to.

So, Alabama just passed a total ban on abortion. It’s debatable whether Alabama’s law or Georgia’s is worse. Alabama bans all abortions, but doesn’t punish women only providers. Georgia’s ban allows for abortion up to 6 weeks, but not only does it punish women for having illegal bans, it also punishes women for planning to leave the state to have a legal abortion and could potentially punish women with prison time for having a miscarriage.

Both of these are pretty horrifying. The Alabama ban scares me most because it seems likely to end with a Supreme Court decision to overturn Roe v Wade and a federal law banning all abortion in the entire country.

Am I being paranoid in thinking that this is just the beginning of something bigger? What comes next? What other rights will women lose? How far will this go? Am I crazy to be freaked out?

I'm a citizen of French Republic living in France.
Even if I'm a male living in another country than your.
I feel sad when I'm reading this kind of news because I believe abortion should be a right for all women.

I feel concerned as a human because I think it is a matter of individual liberty.
I feel concerned as a male because I don't forget one of my sexual partners will maybe face an abortion in her life.
If a day a woman with which I had a sexual intercourse say me she want to abort and ask my opinion. I would say her its her body not mine and let her do what she want.

I feel concerned as a Westerner because I don't forget USA is a country of the Western world that is considered like the reference for many things by non Westerners and could influence non Western countries.
If an event like that happens in a country of the Western world it can influence non Western country in a bad path.
Abortion is complicate in many non Western countries and I fear what's happens in USA will worsen the situation in these countries.

I feel concerned as a citizen of European Union (All citizens of a state member of European Union are also legally citizen of EU) because I don't forget abortion is fully illegal in Republic of Malta and only authorized in some situation in Republic of Poland and Republic of Cyprus.
I fear whats happens in USA will encourage no progression about the issue of abortion in these countries.

I feel concerned as a French citizen because nowadays abortion isn't under legal threat to be outlawed.
But nobody know what would be the situation in some decades.



I have a legal question about abortion in the State of Georgia.
As the law prohibit women to abort outside of boundaries of Georgia.
Abort outside of GA is a matters concerning two places.
In my example these two places are Geo. and another place in which abortion is legal elsewhere in USA.

Legally , I doubt the law enforcement from the place in which abortion will take place will collaborate with Georgian authority unless they have an agreement with Georgia or state law prohibit people coming from a place in which abortion is illegal to abort in their state or a law prohibit non resident in their state to abort.
I can conclude it does means Georgian law will be de facto unenforceable if the woman is well organized to hide the fact she had an abortion in another American state because in my knowledge the authorities of the other state won't collaborate unless they have an agreement with the State of Peach or a state law prohibit people coming from a place in which abortion is illegal to abort in their state or a law prohibit non resident in their state to abort.

But does it exist federal law prohibit women prohibited by theirs state law to abort outside of their state if the state law specify that abortion is illegal even if theirs residents do it outside of its boundaries ?
In my knowledge it doesn't exist any federal law that say it explicitly but maybe it does exist a federal law that say it implicitly.
In this case a Georgian resident going in another state to abort would be committing a federal offense and in this case FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation) would have its cards to play to investigate about those who had an abortion and others people in Georgia who helped the women.
I hope it doesn't exist a federal law to prohibit implicitly people to do something prohibited by their state in another state if their state law forbid to do this thing outside of its boundaries.
If it does exist a federal law that can be used to prosecute these women. Women who want to abort need to go in another country than USA to avoid collection of evidences by FBI because authorities of the other country would not collaborate (Look the legislation of the other country to be certain authorities of this country won't collaborate and be certain to have an abortion. Go in the other country with a cover of tourist and don't speak of your project with your accomplices by electronical means. To reduce the risk of detection wait to be in the other country to contact clinic and doctors. I'm not incitating you to violate the law because I'm just recalling you the perfect crime doesn't exist).

I know only one federal law that can be used to prosecute people who did something illegal in their state in another state but legal there.
This is the "Mann Act" also known as "White-Slave Traffic Act of 1910" or its long title "An Act to further regulate interstate and foreign commerce by prohibiting the transportation therein for immoral purposes of women and girls, and for other purposes."
This act can be used to prosecute people who want to have non-paid consensual sexual intercourse with his / her boy(girl)friend aged of 16 years old in a state in which legal age of consent is 16 if the person is from a state in which legal age of consent is 17 years old and crossing the borders to do sex (Cross to the state in which legal age of consent is 17 to go in another one for which legal age of consent is 16).

Wikipedia about Mann act : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mann_Act

I understand that there is also a provision for charging rape victims with making a false accusation if the person they accuse is not found guilty.

It is problematic because some victims won't complaint to police.

[HappySkeptic]

I completely expect the Supreme Court to step in and fix this, by the way.

I don't. 

I fully expect the Supreme Court to weaken Roe v Wade, and allow the states to use more discretion in determining the definition of viability, and on the number of roadblocks to abortion that they want to put up.

There is a reason that Republicans only put pro-life Catholic judges on the bench.  Catholics forfeit their immortal soul if they end the life of another human, and the Pope has declared that human life begins at the instant of conception.

Roe v. Wade is deader than dead.  It is only a question of what replaces it.

[vulcanlogician]

@HappySkeptic
Yo! Happy skeptic! Nice to see ya, man! I hoped I see you around. How ya been?

[onlinebiker]

How to spot defective logic....


Ask a anti abortionist what the definition of clinically dead is.......

Guarantee - they won't say " when the heart quits beating".

Extrapolate.....

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I completely expect the Supreme Court to step in and fix this, by the way.

I don't. 

I fully expect the Supreme Court to weaken Roe v Wade, and allow the states to use more discretion in determining the definition of viability, and on the number of roadblocks to abortion that they want to put up.

There is a reason that Republicans only put pro-life Catholic judges on the bench.  Catholics forfeit their immortal soul if they end the life of another human, and the Pope has declared that human life begins at the instant of conception.

Roe v. Wade is deader than dead.  It is only a question of what replaces it.

You express the damaged thinking of the anti-rational crowd very nicely.

[Fireball]

Makes me pine for axolotl tanks.

You remember what axolotl tanks turned out to actually be, right?

[brewer]

Makes me pine for axolotl tanks.

You remember what axolotl tanks turned out to actually be, right?

Don't ruin it for the rest, .......ssshhhhhh. Plus, they already know I'm a bit creep.

[LadyForCamus]

You were far more tolerable when you stayed in your rabbit hole...

Some think it is better for me to post outside the DNA thread.  I guess it is just a matter of opinion.

That way lies madness. IMO, ofc.

[The Valkyrie]

Some think it is better for me to post outside the DNA thread.  I guess it is just a matter of opinion.

That way lies madness. IMO, ofc.

It certainly wasn't me. At least when you stick to one thread I could tolerate your existence as I didn't have to read your bullshit elsewhere.

Remember, lying is a sin and will make baby Jesus self abort.

[vulcanlogician]

Some think it is better for me to post outside the DNA thread.  I guess it is just a matter of opinion.

That way lies madness. IMO, ofc.

Some think it is better for me to post outside the DNA thread.  I guess it is just a matter of opinion.

That way lies madness. IMO, ofc.

How is it madness? Much good could come from CDF's meandering. Witness the magnificence of my five-pronged argument:

1) The DNA thread needs to die already. The only way I can see that happen is to distract the one giving it constant CPR.

2) We've all heard the design argument like a million times. It's time to hear some of CDF's other erroneous ideas.

3) I think he may be a good guy. He said he supports nonviolence. I'm a bit skeptical because he says swords are involved, but with a little convincing, CDF might come to understand that "Swords are bad. They hurt people." That ain't gonna happen in the DNA thread.

4) He's a "froll." You remember what that is? I miss Rik, and I'm using CDF as sort of a blow up doll to get over the fact that I'll never have sweet intercourse with that super-special yogic nutjob again.

5) It's a free forum! CDF can post wherever he wants! The Christians often contain atheists to one part of their forums. Anyone who joins our forum not only ought to be allowed to post anywhere they want... they ought to feel welcome too.

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