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New gulf war?
#21
RE: New gulf war?
(May 25, 2019 at 12:01 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: I never disputed that the B52 was made to drop nukes IN THE LATE 40S.

I know you didn't mate, sorry if I implied otherwise.

It's so rare that Atlas gets something right, I suppose I feel compelled to mention it.  Smile

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#22
RE: New gulf war?
(May 25, 2019 at 9:04 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(May 25, 2019 at 8:25 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: ========================
atlass journals: May 25, 2019:

News from the Persian gulf are not good, neither do they promise with anything other than more beating on the drums of war. The U.S is sending troops and reinforcements for its forces guarding America's interests in the region, along with B-52 bombers and an aircraft carrier.

This is terribly alarming because B-52s were made to carry nuclear weapons, so it's a matter of 1 single rash decision now to be taken by the American administration for nuclear apocalypse to start.

After a storm of mutual threats, Iran threatened that it has secret weapons capable of sinking American ships:



https://sputniknews.com/world/2019052510...-warships/

Having Russian and Chinese merchants and allies at its disposal Iran can sure have weapons like these; consider the example of North Korea's nuclear program.
Iran has strong friends; and is being bullied by a group of psychopaths..a hit is the only logical consequence.

1.  News from the Persian Gulf is almost never good.

No; things were "stable", i.e you won't hear  about moving of large segments of the U.S army there. But now the U.S's activity is "huge" and it has all what it needs to start a new invasion in the region.

Many allies of the U.S in the region want war too (KSA, UAE,Israel).
The situation was never like this since the gulf war.

Quote:4.  Yes, B52s are bombers.  But in almost sixty years of deployment, no B52 has ever dropped a nuclear weapon, not once.

There is this thing: if you give somebody a gun, sooner or later they're gonna shoot real bullets from it, either by mistake or intentionally.
There is no limit for the stupidity and corruption of Trump as it seems. The maniac seems like an asshole who can drop a nuclear bomb from a B-52 to escape the investigations of his political enemies back in America.

Quote:5.  It has always been a matter of one rash decision to deploy nuclear weapons.

Correct ! and we come full circle with Trump, MBS, MBZ,Bbib


Quote:6.  The deployment of a nuclear weapon doesn't automatically mean 'a nuclear apocalypse'.

The chain reaction produced by such strike will be  nuclear apocalypse.
It's like making "sex" a taboo: everybody will fear having sex at first. But if somebody broke the taboo and had it, everybody will have it.

And this will be the second time; remember Japan?

Quote:7.  Iran has secret weapons? Really?  Remember, this is the country that decided it could sink an aircraft carrier after they pretended to sink a wooden mockup of an aircraft carrier.  This is the equivalent of claiming you can kill a grizzly bear with your hands because you punched a teddy bear.

Aside from the amplified statements, Iran does have fatal capabilities in small sea areas like the gulf; they can easily sink American boats , this missile is an example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS-N-22

Iran will not be a winner in this war. But it will hurt the U.S so badly, the civil unrest in the U.S will be its fall.

Quote:8.  You really, seriously think that Russia and China are going to allow a war that would (as you claim) disrupt oil supplies?

If their governments has "Oligarchs" like Putin; then yes. Probably they think -the loot will be huge if they emerged victorious from such war, their governments are not a single entity.

Just like America today: the government is something, Trump is something else.

(May 25, 2019 at 9:12 am)Deesse23 Wrote:
(May 25, 2019 at 8:25 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: This is terribly alarming because B-52s were made to carry nuclear weapons, so it's a matter of 1 single rash decision now to be taken by the American administration for nuclear apocalypse to start.

Once again, you have no clue what you are talking about, just wallowing in your hysteria.

B52s, are excellent in dropping conventional ordnance, because they can carry a shitload of it. Thats what they have been used for, again and again.

If you want to drop a nuke, single (multi warhead) is enough, and you want to make sure it gets to target. Thats when you choose the B2.

Facepalm

No. B-52 were made to carry nuclear bombs:

Quote:The B-52 took its maiden flight in April 1952. Built to carry nuclear weapons for Cold War-era deterrence missions, the B-52 Stratofortress replaced the Convair B-36. A veteran of several wars, the B-52 has dropped only conventional munitions in combat. The B-52's official name Stratofortress is rarely used; informally, the aircraft has become commonly referred to as the BUFF (Big Ugly Fat Fella/Fucker).[7][8][9][Note 1]
[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-52#cite_note-11][/url]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-52
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#23
RE: New gulf war?
(May 26, 2019 at 7:04 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: No. B-52 were made to carry nuclear bombs:
Your reading comprehension sucks. I never siad it was NOT Made to drop nukes,. I said its the best option to drop conventional ordnance, and was used exactly in that role, exclusively. I also pointed out to the fact that a B2 exists in the meantime.


Evidence: Post #20 of this thread


(May 26, 2019 at 7:04 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: There is this thing: if you give somebody a gun, sooner or later they're gonna shoot real bullets from it, either by mistake or intentionally.
And you are the one hysterically shouting that Trump is gonna do it 2019. Facepalm
By your logic, the world already has ended a gazilion times, because about any fucking plane can carry nukes nowadays. Facepalm

(May 26, 2019 at 7:04 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: The maniac seems like an asshole who can drop a nuclear bomb from a B-52 to escape the investigations of his political enemies back in America.
If you cant make out the difference betwene a genicodal, psychopathic maniac without a conscience and a con man who just makes a living of ripping off the poor and bullshitting the gullible, then obviously you didnt have enough of both brands in your part of the world yet. :eyeroll:


(May 26, 2019 at 7:04 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: The chain reaction produced by such strike will be  nuclear apocalypse.
It's like making "sex" a taboo: everybody will fear having sex at first. But if somebody broke the taboo and had it, everybody will have it.
You are trying to argue that dropping a nuke will end up with others dropping nukes in retaliation? You are invoking Japan to support your agument? 1945, where noone but the US had nukes? Facepalm

(May 26, 2019 at 7:04 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Iran will not be a winner in this war. But it will hurt the U.S so badly, the civil unrest in the U.S will be its fall.
At least something i can agree halfway with you. Iran will lose, easily, but i think people are underestimating the ability to deal or endure damage the sheer size of its population (and populations feed wars, pops are *material*). I am not even mentioning the problems of having to possibly invade such a difficult terrian as much of Iran is. Civil unrest in the US? Possibly. Fall? look at Vietnam. You are underestimating the US now.
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#24
RE: New gulf war?
BREAKING:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/j...an-us-navy
Quote:Two oil tankers struck in suspected attacks in Gulf of Oman

It looks like somebody is trying so hard to slip the region's foot into a war.
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RE: New gulf war?
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#26
RE: New gulf war?
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Does this individual's hypocrisy truly surprise people any longer?
Sanity adjacent.


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#27
RE: New gulf war?
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In primary school, the kids with me had this song:

"farted, farted, farted...who farted?? he farted !! in the school".

The moral is that when one of them farts in a crowded room; he'll start pointing fingers at other kids to hold them responsible for the foul smell.

Trump did the same. He wanted war with Iran all along. and it's cunningly correct to start accusing others for farting, when reality is that you farted. He farted war, and blamed the smell on Obama.

(June 13, 2019 at 11:24 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:
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Does this individual's hypocrisy truly surprise people any longer?

He has no face. People like him are narcissistic, money-eating robots
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#28
RE: New gulf war?
(May 18, 2019 at 4:43 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: ==================New gulf war Diary=====================

I wrote this topic after a very strange and furious escalation in the Middle East.
A previous post presceded this one and you can read about it here:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-58939.html

Donald Trump's role is obvious as sunlight now: the man wants a war. It will help him save his neck from his enemies' investigations in the U.S.

Other madmen who lead countries like Saudi Arabia and the UAE will eat with Trump; sharing the loot with him.

Right now, there is one scary escalation in the persian gulf:

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/16/polit...index.html

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/16/polit...index.html

Also, the Houthies in Yemen took their operations to a whole new level and began to hammer Saudi oil pipelines with drones:

http://time.com/5588819/saudi-arabia-oil...ack-yemen/



We know one thing about the U.S: it did lie once to the whole world in 2003, claiming that Saddam had WMDs. They also supported Iran's terrorists in Iraq; just like they are supporting Saudi Arabia's terrorists like MBS.

===

No; if this started for real it will be a world war.
The lie was there where no WMDs

Chris Kyle (american sniper fame) documents finding the WMDs at the bottom of a cement hauling freighter they boarded his seal team had to unload by hand. at the bottom of this barge the found shipping containers which held rockets and chemical weapons. They where being moved from iraq to sirera 

Then you have these instances:

In 2004, hundreds of chemical warheads were recovered from the desert close to the Iran–Iraq border. According to the Washington Post, the munitions "had been buried near the Iranian border, and then long forgotten, by Iraqi troops during their eight-year war with Iran". 
The Iraqi government informed the United Nations in 2014 that insurgents affiliated with the Islamic State terror group had seized control of the Muthana State Establishment, including a chemical weapons depot northwest of Baghdad. The facility was partially destroyed and placed under the supervision of UNSCOM following the 1991 Gulf War. It housed some 2,500 sarin-filled rockets at the time of their departure in 1999. 

2005: Operation Avarice[edit]

In 2005, the CIA collaborated with the Army Intelligence Corps in contacting an unnamed Iraqi individual who had knowledge and possession of all chemical WMD stockpiles and munitions in Iraq.[118] The operation was classified from the public and from most of the armed forces.[118] In addition, chemical specialists and ordnance disposal units were assigned to the task to aid in the destruction of recovered WMDs.[118]

The mission resulted in the largest recovery of chemical weapons during the Iraq war. It was confirmed that these weapons were remnants of the Iraqi weapons program first developed during the Iran-Iraq war and confirmed that the Hussein government had failed to dismantle and dispose WMDs in its possession. The collaboration between American military intelligence and the unnamed Iraqi proprietor resulted in minimal attacks on U.S. military and coalition personnel or Iraqi citizenry from WMDs on a scale seen during the Iran-Iraq war, although minor attacks still occurred.[118]

2006: House Armed Services Committee Hearing[edit]

On June 21, 2006 the United States House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence released key points from a classified report provided to them by the National Ground Intelligence Center on the recovery of chemical weapons in Iraq.[119] The declassified summary stated that "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent", that chemical munitions "are assessed to still exist" and that they "could be sold on the black market".[120] All weapons were thought to be manufactured in the 1980s and date to Iraq's war with Iran.[119] The report prompted US Senator Rick Santorum to hold a press conference in which he declared "We have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq."[121]


New York Times investigative report[edit]

In October 2014, the New York Times reported that the total number of munitions discovered since 2003 had climbed to 4,990, and that U.S. servicemen had been exposed and injured during the disposal and destruction process.[126][127] US soldiers reporting exposure to mustard gas and sarin allege they were required to keep their exposure secret, sometimes declined admission to hospital and evacuation home despite the request of their commanders. "We were absolutely told not to talk about it" by a colonel, a former sergeant said.[127] "All [munitions] had been manufactured before 1991, participants said. Filthy, rusty or corroded, a large fraction of them could not be readily identified as chemical weapons at all. Some were empty, though many of them still contained potent mustard agent or residual sarin. Most could not have been used as designed, and when they ruptured dispersed the chemical agents over a limited area."[127]
According to the investigative report, "many chemical weapons incidents clustered around the ruins of the Muthanna State Establishment, the center of Iraqi chemical agent production in the 1980s." The facility had fallen under the supervision of United Nations weapons inspectors after the first Gulf War and was known to house approximately 2,500 corroded chemical munitions, but the vast building complex was left unmanned once hostilities commenced in 2003 and was subject to looting.[127] Participants in the discoveries postulated another reason to conceal their exposure, as some of the chemical shells "appeared to have been designed in the United States, manufactured in Europe and filled in chemical agent production lines built in Iraq by Western companies."[127]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_w...estruction

The deal was The governments PLURAL Meaning the US and the UK did not want a war on 3 fronts (syria) afghanistan and iraq and possibly any other syrian buddies/did not want to kick off ISIS. So bush took one for the team..

It should be our responsibility to exonerate great leaders for all of the FAKE NEWS and propaganda fed to us when we have the vantage of time.

But here most of us are still sucking on the tit of fake news for all of our thoughts and world commentary!

(June 13, 2019 at 11:24 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Does this individual's hypocrisy truly surprise people any longer?





Iran is in violation of that all important treaty you douche bags want the us to be apart of. they are building ballistic missiles that can deliver a nuclear payload!

Plus they made 5 demands 2 having the US and europe drop the censorship on ballistic missile development, meaning we can't prohibit them for making WMDs (It is confirmed they do have chemical and biological agents) now they want nukes.

They want all of their sanctions lifted and europe to buy their oil at their set market price along with the bennies of EU and the US basically paying them like clinton paid North korea not to build nuclear weapons..

So with this in mind... what hypocrisy?

Obama's plan was to pay them off till it was well outside of his presidential legacy to deal with.

Trump says he is not going to pay a bully to not blow us up in 15 years. rather if they are hell bent on a war let them know it will be their building streets and homes that will be the battle field and not our own.

in 15 years if obama's plan was allow to maturate, they could push a button and bring the war to us or anyone else on the planet.

You dumb asses need to think before you speak. stop letting fake new tell you what is going on. open your eye read shite for yourself. learn some mf-ing history and look for these patterns happening in that region again and again.
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#29
RE: New gulf war?
(June 14, 2019 at 12:43 pm)Drich Wrote:
(May 18, 2019 at 4:43 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: ==================New gulf war Diary=====================

I wrote this topic after a very strange and furious escalation in the Middle East.
A previous post presceded this one and you can read about it here:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-58939.html

Donald Trump's role is obvious as sunlight now: the man wants a war. It will help him save his neck from his enemies' investigations in the U.S.

Other madmen who lead countries like Saudi Arabia and the UAE will eat with Trump; sharing the loot with him.

Right now, there is one scary escalation in the persian gulf:

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/16/polit...index.html

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/16/polit...index.html

Also, the Houthies in Yemen took their operations to a whole new level and began to hammer Saudi oil pipelines with drones:

http://time.com/5588819/saudi-arabia-oil...ack-yemen/



We know one thing about the U.S: it did lie once to the whole world in 2003, claiming that Saddam had WMDs. They also supported Iran's terrorists in Iraq; just like they are supporting Saudi Arabia's terrorists like MBS.

===

No; if this started for real it will be a world war.
The lie was there where no WMDs

Chris Kyle (american sniper fame) documents finding the WMDs at the bottom of a cement hauling freighter they boarded his seal team had to unload by hand. at the bottom of this barge the found shipping containers which held rockets and chemical weapons. They where being moved from iraq to sirera 

Then you have these instances:

In 2004, hundreds of chemical warheads were recovered from the desert close to the Iran–Iraq border. According to the Washington Post, the munitions "had been buried near the Iranian border, and then long forgotten, by Iraqi troops during their eight-year war with Iran". 
The Iraqi government informed the United Nations in 2014 that insurgents affiliated with the Islamic State terror group had seized control of the Muthana State Establishment, including a chemical weapons depot northwest of Baghdad. The facility was partially destroyed and placed under the supervision of UNSCOM following the 1991 Gulf War. It housed some 2,500 sarin-filled rockets at the time of their departure in 1999. 

2005: Operation Avarice[edit]

In 2005, the CIA collaborated with the Army Intelligence Corps in contacting an unnamed Iraqi individual who had knowledge and possession of all chemical WMD stockpiles and munitions in Iraq.[118] The operation was classified from the public and from most of the armed forces.[118] In addition, chemical specialists and ordnance disposal units were assigned to the task to aid in the destruction of recovered WMDs.[118]

The mission resulted in the largest recovery of chemical weapons during the Iraq war. It was confirmed that these weapons were remnants of the Iraqi weapons program first developed during the Iran-Iraq war and confirmed that the Hussein government had failed to dismantle and dispose WMDs in its possession. The collaboration between American military intelligence and the unnamed Iraqi proprietor resulted in minimal attacks on U.S. military and coalition personnel or Iraqi citizenry from WMDs on a scale seen during the Iran-Iraq war, although minor attacks still occurred.[118]

2006: House Armed Services Committee Hearing[edit]

On June 21, 2006 the United States House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence released key points from a classified report provided to them by the National Ground Intelligence Center on the recovery of chemical weapons in Iraq.[119] The declassified summary stated that "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent", that chemical munitions "are assessed to still exist" and that they "could be sold on the black market".[120] All weapons were thought to be manufactured in the 1980s and date to Iraq's war with Iran.[119] The report prompted US Senator Rick Santorum to hold a press conference in which he declared "We have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq."[121]


New York Times investigative report[edit]

In October 2014, the New York Times reported that the total number of munitions discovered since 2003 had climbed to 4,990, and that U.S. servicemen had been exposed and injured during the disposal and destruction process.[126][127] US soldiers reporting exposure to mustard gas and sarin allege they were required to keep their exposure secret, sometimes declined admission to hospital and evacuation home despite the request of their commanders. "We were absolutely told not to talk about it" by a colonel, a former sergeant said.[127] "All [munitions] had been manufactured before 1991, participants said. Filthy, rusty or corroded, a large fraction of them could not be readily identified as chemical weapons at all. Some were empty, though many of them still contained potent mustard agent or residual sarin. Most could not have been used as designed, and when they ruptured dispersed the chemical agents over a limited area."[127]
According to the investigative report, "many chemical weapons incidents clustered around the ruins of the Muthanna State Establishment, the center of Iraqi chemical agent production in the 1980s." The facility had fallen under the supervision of United Nations weapons inspectors after the first Gulf War and was known to house approximately 2,500 corroded chemical munitions, but the vast building complex was left unmanned once hostilities commenced in 2003 and was subject to looting.[127] Participants in the discoveries postulated another reason to conceal their exposure, as some of the chemical shells "appeared to have been designed in the United States, manufactured in Europe and filled in chemical agent production lines built in Iraq by Western companies."[127]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_w...estruction

The deal was The governments PLURAL Meaning the US and the UK did not want a war on 3 fronts (syria) afghanistan and iraq and possibly any other syrian buddies/did not want to kick off ISIS. So bush took one for the team..

It should be our responsibility to exonerate great leaders for all of the FAKE NEWS and propaganda fed to us when we have the vantage of time.

But here most of us are still sucking on the tit of fake news for all of our thoughts and world commentary!

(June 13, 2019 at 11:24 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Does this individual's hypocrisy truly surprise people any longer?





Iran is in violation of that all important treaty you douche bags want the us to be apart of. they are building ballistic missiles that can deliver a nuclear payload!

Plus they made 5 demands 2 having the US and europe drop the censorship on ballistic missile development, meaning we can't prohibit them for making WMDs (It is confirmed they do have chemical and biological agents) now they want nukes.

They want all of their sanctions lifted and europe to buy their oil at their set market price along with the bennies of EU and the US basically paying them like clinton paid North korea not to build nuclear weapons..

So with this in mind... what hypocrisy?

Obama's plan was to pay them off till it was well outside of his presidential legacy to deal with.

Trump says he is not going to pay a bully to not blow us up in 15 years. rather if they are hell bent on a war let them know it will be their building streets and homes that will be the battle field and not our own.

in 15 years if obama's plan was allow to maturate, they could push a button and bring the war to us or anyone else on the planet.

You dumb asses need to think before you speak. stop letting fake new tell you what is going on. open your eye read shite for yourself. learn some mf-ing history and look for these patterns happening in that region again and again.

1. I was referring to all the times your favourite piece of shit claimed Obama was going to go to war with Iran to distract people from all his mistakes.

2. Until now, I've always refrained from name calling in your direction. So, don't start it with me, you pompous cunt!
Sanity adjacent.


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#30
RE: New gulf war?
(June 14, 2019 at 3:34 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: 2. Until now, I've always refrained from name calling in your direction. So, don't start it with me, you pompous cunt!

That's the reason why he comes here. He wants you to talk to him like that because he's not here to discuss anything since he can't understand the concept of an argument.
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