The Adam & Eve Myth - Origins

[Drich]

Test-I-Mony moron Testimony! do you not understand what a testimony is? do you not know how eye witness account when compiled with 2.2 billion other similar accounts by defination is "proof."

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1. a formal written or spoken statement, especially one given in a court of law.
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   evidence, sworn statement, attestation, affidavit; More
   
   
   
   
   
   
   • evidence or proof provided by the existence or appearance of something.
     "his blackened finger was testimony to the fact that he had played in pain"
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   • a public recounting of a religious conversion or experience.
     

Christians claim that the Bible is true and use it to claim that their doctrines are true. They claim that God divinely revealed its contents to Bronze Age characters and that the events therein really occurred. And yet, without supporting evidence, quotes from the Bible are mere claims, not truths. There is no more evidence of the Bible's veracity than The Lord of the Rings is evidence that Hobbits and Orcs exist.

how can you still not get what I have said so clearly?

Follow the instructions and they will put you before God the Holy Spirit in one form or another. The bible is not a science experiment therefore does not follow the rules of a science experiment. the bible is a set of instructions. follow the instructions as laid out and the proof the bible is valid is that you will be stood before God.

Again for me I literally stood before Christ at my judgement. AND I stood or sat with anangel who told me things i had only pleaded with God with, told me of my present and told me of my future without me having said 2 complete sentences to him (He knew nothing of me) let alone prayer I pleaded to God for in my head.

That is how a believer knows the bible is true as God promises to send the Holy Spirit for anyone who will simply A/S/K for him.

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There are many Christians with many opposing "doctrines". The Word of God unites us as one. The "doctrines" of man divide us endlessly and that includes theology and "science". The ability to even begin to understand anything about zOE-life is a narrow path few find--according to Jesus.

You understand Doctrine are not gospel right?

Doctrine are man's attempt to understand and worship God.

The Gospil is what God did for us.

So doctrine given the Gospel are supposed to be different. as different and unique as there are people and personalities.

The Gospel say for any man who willfully sins and seeks attonement through Christ will not have his sin count against him. What is it to atone? it is to not only confess to God but to follow the rules of Christ. those rules are only 2. Love God with all of your being/put God first. and then love your neighbor as yourself. meaning if you want God to forgive you when you sin, then you must forgive other whe they sin against you. 

That my friend is the gospel in a nut shell.. How to love God or what one must do to love god 'properly' the right the cermonies the rituals the traditions.. that's all doctrine. Doctrine is not sin, but it is not needed past a certain point either.

So who is right with their doctrine?
None of us.

So how can we still be all saved? 

Because when you have Jesus' offered atonement supporting you the same grace that forgives you when you willfully murder someone and seek forgiveness and repent/turn from that sin also is there to forgive us when we are loving our lord God with all of our being (heart, mind, spirit and strength) and we simply get it wrong. or can not fully understand how god or the church is supposes to work.

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There are many Christians with many opposing "doctrines". The Word of God unites us as one. The "doctrines" of man divide us endlessly and that includes theology and "science". The ability to even begin to understand anything about zOE-life is a narrow path few find--according to Jesus.

And why should I care what an illiterate, deluded Bronze Age preacher had to say?

Jesus was not apart of the bronze age sport.. you are about 1200 years off

[Nay_Sayer]

Still waiting.

[Jehanne]

[Haipule]

Christians claim that the Bible is true and use it to claim that their doctrines are true. They claim that God divinely revealed its contents to Bronze Age characters and that the events therein really occurred. And yet, without supporting evidence, quotes from the Bible are mere claims, not truths. There is no more evidence of the Bible's veracity than The Lord of the Rings is evidence that Hobbits and Orcs exist.

how can you still not get what I have said so clearly?

Follow the instructions and they will put you before God the Holy Spirit in one form or another. The bible is not a science experiment therefore does not follow the rules of a science experiment. the bible is a set of instructions. follow the instructions as laid out and the proof the bible is valid is that you will be stood before God.

Again for me I literally stood before Christ at my judgement. AND I stood or sat with anangel who told me things i had only pleaded with God with, told me of my present and told me of my future without me having said 2 complete sentences to him (He knew nothing of me) let alone prayer I pleaded to God for in my head.

That is how a believer knows the bible is true as God promises to send the Holy Spirit for anyone who will simply A/S/K for him.

---

There are many Christians with many opposing "doctrines". The Word of God unites us as one. The "doctrines" of man divide us endlessly and that includes theology and "science". The ability to even begin to understand anything about zOE-life is a narrow path few find--according to Jesus.

You understand Doctrine are not gospel right?

Doctrine are man's attempt to understand and worship God.

The Gospil is what God did for us.

So doctrine given the Gospel are supposed to be different. as different and unique as there are people and personalities.

The Gospel say for any man who willfully sins and seeks attonement through Christ will not have his sin count against him. What is it to atone? it is to not only confess to God but to follow the rules of Christ. those rules are only 2. Love God with all of your being/put God first. and then love your neighbor as yourself. meaning if you want God to forgive you when you sin, then you must forgive other whe they sin against you. 

That my friend is the gospel in a nut shell.. How to love God or what one must do to love god 'properly' the right the cermonies the rituals the traditions.. that's all doctrine. Doctrine is not sin, but it is not needed past a certain point either.

So who is right with their doctrine?
None of us.

So how can we still be all saved? 

Because when you have Jesus' offered atonement supporting you the same grace that forgives you when you willfully murder someone and seek forgiveness and repent/turn from that sin also is there to forgive us when we are loving our lord God with all of our being (heart, mind, spirit and strength) and we simply get it wrong. or can not fully understand how god or the church is supposes to work.

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And why should I care what an illiterate, deluded Bronze Age preacher had to say?

Jesus was not apart of the bronze age sport.. you are about 1200 years off

Drich, the Greek word translated as "Gospel" is euaggelion and means: a well, or beneficial, heathy message. "Gospel" is an old English word and means: Good News and pronounced godspel with the long "O". In the Greek the prefixed adverb is eu and means: well, beneficial, heathy. aggelion is a neuter noun and means: message. It is where we get the word 'angel' which means: messenger. Gabriel is a messenger of God--NOT an "Angel" in strictly an English sense! A MESSINGER from God! Who is 'angelic' in nature and not human! 

Some messengers are human beings--NOT angel beings. Entertain them!

"What God did for us", obviously, that is a matter of your, or anyone's doctrine, and NOT God theology! We cannot equate doctrine and theology as if the doctrine is the science of God. Theology--the science of God is truth. The doctrines of man will divide us infinitely! If I say that God became a man lived, and then died on a cross to pay a ransom to free us from the grip of death being dead-ones. Then I'm merely repeating what the text said. I made no invention. But if you include that God is a Trinity, then you can't understand what is written. So, you are being subjected to doctrine and not theology.

If both the noun and the adjective are anarthrous, I may identify the adjective which follows the noun(predicate position) it modifies predicately, as it is a predicate, by using a copula(linking verb) such as -being after the adjective. Examples: hippos purros = [ ]horse fiery-red-being. pneuma hagion = [ ]breath pure-being. iEsous christos = [ ]Jesus anointed-being. Or, I may not as Greek does not need the copula but, our English practically demands it when we translate from Greek to English. Yet absativally, anarthrous or articular nouns; followed by an anarthrous adjective, means that the adjective is in the predicate position(makes an assertion about the subject) and is NEVER attributive (I will get arguments from manipulators).

 

If an anarthrous adjective precedes an anarthrous noun, then the adjective is in the attributive position. Example: hagion pneuma = [ ]pure breath. If an anarthrous adjective precedes an articular noun then it is a predicate. Example: hagion to pneuma-[ ]pure(-is) thee breath.

 

If the adjective, whether preceding or following(usually) the noun it modifies, has a definite article: then it is always attributive.

 

Therefore, you cannot take pneuma hagion = [ ]breath pure-being; invent “Spirit”; switch the word order and turn a predicate adjective into an attributive adjective; then add the definite article turning an anarthrous construction into an articular construction; capitalize it(which a hearer cannot see); completely ignore the neuter gender and translate it as “the Holy Spirit” in any sense of academic honesty. 

"Grace" is the Greek(Hebrew chen) word charis and means: beauty as in favorable attributes and implies favor. "And the Word became flesh full of grace and truth". Not grace but--beauty, charm, eloquence, eloquent, etc. God did not find "grace in Noah's eyes"! God found him with favorable characteristics. 

"sin" is the shortened form of the Latin word sinistra and means: left-hand. The word in the Greek translated as "sin" is hamartia and figuratively means: wayward, off-course. Not what you are doing but where you are going. paraptOma also translated as "sin/trespass" means: to cross a line. parabasis also translated as "sin/transgress" Means: violation against a fix point or standard. All about where you are going in life. ergon tEn sarks is the deed/work/employment(anything that occupies you or your time) of the flesh. There is an actual list but no list of "sins". A "sin" then is whatever anyone says it is if your stupid enough to listen to them!

[The Valkyrie]

The holy spirit?

Vodka??

[Haipule]

The holy spirit?

Vodka??

Hi Becs, I miss you. And your such a girl! Really! Vodka? Men drink whiskey. Real men drink Gin(rocket fuel)! Thank you for using the word "spirit" correctly! The word "holy" in both Greek and Hebrew, just means: pure, undefiled, unpolluted separating a class from a class. That is Ketel One baby!

[Gwaithmir]

Christians claim that the Bible is true and use it to claim that their doctrines are true. They claim that God divinely revealed its contents to Bronze Age characters and that the events therein really occurred. And yet, without supporting evidence, quotes from the Bible are mere claims, not truths. There is no more evidence of the Bible's veracity than The Lord of the Rings is evidence that Hobbits and Orcs exist.

how can you still not get what I have said so clearly?

Follow the instructions and they will put you before God the Holy Spirit in one form or another. The bible is not a science experiment therefore does not follow the rules of a science experiment. the bible is a set of instructions. follow the instructions as laid out and the proof the bible is valid is that you will be stood before God.

Again for me I literally stood before Christ at my judgement. AND I stood or sat with an angel who told me things i had only pleaded with God with, told me of my present and told me of my future without me having said 2 complete sentences to him (He knew nothing of me) let alone prayer I pleaded to God for in my head.

That is how a believer knows the bible is true as God promises to send the Holy Spirit for anyone who will simply A/S/K for him.

You tell a fascinating tale of how you left your brains at the door and journeyed into self-induced delusion and superstition. For your information, I was a true believer at one time. Over the past four decades I have read, with an open mind,  six versions of the Bible in their entirety, not to mention dozens of books on Bible study and  history. If there truly is an all-loving, all-knowing God, he already knows what sort of evidence I require to convince me of his existence and the truth of his words. Instead, however, I found convincing evidence that the Bible is merely a book of mythology, written by fallible men, reflecting the ignorance, fears, bigotry and superstitions of the times in which it was written.

“Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.” (Isaac Asimov)

“Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear.” (Thomas Jefferson)

“The book of Job is one of the most powerful arguments against God in the atheist arsenal. It proves once and for all that YHWH is not a good god. Even if such a god exists, we surely cannot rely on him to define our morals, to tell us what is good or bad. If holiness is what gods do, then holiness is a terrible thing.” (Victor J. Stenger)

[Drich]

[Drich]

[Nay_Sayer]

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