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The Tor browser
#11
RE: The Tor browser
There are always risks in life and paranoia about the millions of things we can't avoid is one of the things that actually can be avoided.
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#12
RE: The Tor browser
Simply using Tor puts you on a list.

A wise man told me many years ago "Do not raise your head above the parapet, do not attract attention. You don't want it."

Using Tor is exactly raising your head above the parapet. It is writing a number on your own back and a target on your chest.
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#13
RE: The Tor browser
(June 16, 2019 at 5:50 pm)Aegon Wrote:
(June 16, 2019 at 8:29 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: You think you have nothing to hide. So had the people who had their identity stolen been thinking... until that happened. "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about." is one of the most dangerous ways of thinking. And, by the way, I am not much interested in the pornography on the Internet.

What I care about most is, for example, what if mainstream search engines stop indexing HRCAK (the biggest Croatian on-line archive of the academic journals) in response to the Article 11? Or what if HRCAK itself becomes illegal due to Article 13, along with all the similar services? Then circumventing the censorship becomes a necessity in order to do any kind of research on-line. And what if all the large blogging services decide to censor all the anti-government content (as they are pretty much doing already), and the small blogging services can't afford to operate in the European Union due to Article 13? Then, in order to get any kind of unbiased picture about current events, you need to circumvent the censorship. And so on...

Until banks and other companies that house sensitive info start securing their shit better, I doubt using Tor can protect you from identity theft.

Tor makes it more safe to browse HTTPS websites. Somewhat counter-intuitively, browsing HTTP websites using TOR is less secure because the exit nodes are required by the laws to log their data in some countries. So, unless your bank doesn't use HTTPS, using TOR is more secure.

(June 16, 2019 at 11:10 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Simply using Tor puts you on a list.

A wise man told me many years ago "Do not raise your head above the parapet, do not attract attention. You don't want it."

Using Tor is exactly raising your head above the parapet. It is writing a number on your own back and a target on your chest.

Assuming your ISP knows you are using TOR, yes. That's extraordinarily unlikely to happen if you set it up properly for suspicious ISPs, making Tor use meek-azure or obfs4 protocol is enough (and usually more than enough).
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#14
RE: The Tor browser
Three types of people will use it: Dodgy people, paranoid people ... and paranoid dodgy people.

Oh, okay, four ... maybe it's of some use to Law Enforcement. But they probably have their own methods of being undercover. I dunno.

Basically, unless you're a cop ... it's silly to use it (at best).
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#15
RE: The Tor browser
(June 17, 2019 at 6:08 am)SenseMaker007 Wrote: Three types of people will use it: Dodgy people, paranoid people ... and paranoid dodgy people.

Oh, okay, four ... maybe it's of some use to Law Enforcement. But they probably have their own methods of being undercover. I dunno.

Basically, unless you're a cop ... it's silly to use it (at best).

Do you realize that almost every on-line forum these days uses HTTPS? Do you think that's also a bad thing somehow? Where do you draw the line here? We should use as much security as it is economically viable, you never know how much security you need until it's too late.
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#16
RE: The Tor browser
(June 16, 2019 at 8:29 am)FlatAssembler Wrote:
(June 16, 2019 at 7:33 am)SenseMaker007 Wrote: I've never felt the need for the Tor browser. Why? Because I'm not worried about being watched when I'm not doing anything illegal.

Similarly, I've never understood people who tell me that I should put some tape over my webcam, either. How can anybody who hacks into my webcam actually harm me? How does seeing my face harm me? What if they see me masturbating? Is masturbation illegal? No.

If you're a criminal or a cop then the Tor browser makes sense. If you get irrationally squeamish about being spied on even when the spy can do know harm to you ... then the Tor browser makes sense (but, makes sense to you only because you're irrational). Otherwise, it's pointless.

You think you have nothing to hide. So had the people who had their identity stolen been thinking... until that happened. "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about." is one of the most dangerous ways of thinking. And, by the way, I am not much interested in the pornography on the Internet.

What I care about most is, for example, what if mainstream search engines stop indexing HRCAK (the biggest Croatian on-line archive of the academic journals) in response to the Article 11? Or what if HRCAK itself becomes illegal due to Article 13, along with all the similar services? Then circumventing the censorship becomes a necessity in order to do any kind of research on-line. And what if all the large blogging services decide to censor all the anti-government content (as they are pretty much doing already), and the small blogging services can't afford to operate in the European Union due to Article 13? Then, in order to get any kind of unbiased picture about current events, you need to circumvent the censorship. And so on...

You literally make yourself a bigger target using Tor browser without at least being on a Linux system and Duck Duck Go. Then you have to do your browser settings to make sure it's set to do not track. For a Linux distro, I would say get tails or black arch. I say this because of windows operating system is not the most secure operating system in the world. Now, this is important get yourself a VPN you need that extra added layer of security and keep your ISP even safer than just using Tor. 

Use common sense do not download anything off of any tor site do not give away personal details do not do anything illegal and keep all personal matters off of it.

(June 17, 2019 at 8:01 am)FlatAssembler Wrote:
(June 17, 2019 at 6:08 am)SenseMaker007 Wrote: Three types of people will use it: Dodgy people, paranoid people ... and paranoid dodgy people.

Oh, okay, four ... maybe it's of some use to Law Enforcement. But they probably have their own methods of being undercover. I dunno.

Basically, unless you're a cop ... it's silly to use it (at best).

Do you realize that almost every on-line forum these days uses HTTPS? Do you think that's also a bad thing somehow? Where do you draw the line here? We should use as much security as it is economically viable, you never know how much security you need until it's too late.

you know HTTPS is a good thing right? It can prevent man in the middle attacks by preventing packet high jacking.
Let's say a bank used an insecure webpage for login reasons someone could highjack a person packets that contain their data
and get that information while it's sent to the banking server login database. The person nows has the victims login password and user name. 
HTTPS makes doing this harder because it encrypts the data packets with SSL. 

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#17
RE: The Tor browser
dyresand Wrote:I say this because of windows operating system is not the most secure operating system in the world.
Yes, but that's because older Windows programs often rely on Windows not having some security features, and attempting to make Windows more secure will break the compatibility. There is no evidence Microsoft is spying on its users. If you ask me, I find it much more likely that Apple and Google are spying on its users. Apple iCloud is demonstrably very unsafe (Apple can easily read our data there), and Google is hiding exactly the code of the part of Chrome we'd need to study to verify Chrome is not sending our private information to Google during the updates.
dyresand Wrote:Now, this is important get yourself a VPN you need that extra added layer of security and keep your ISP even safer than just using Tor.
What's your logic here? If you use VPN, your ISP can almost always tell that. If you are using Tor, you can make it hard for your ISP to see that.
dyresand Wrote:you know HTTPS is a good thing right?
Yes, and that's precisely the point. Now, maybe the SNI does more harm than good (hackers manage to publish false security certificates in spite of it, and it enables many forms of tracking and censorship on-line), maybe HTTPS sometimes lulls people into false sense of security, but overall HTTPS is good. So, why not make it even better by using the Tor browser?
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#18
RE: The Tor browser
Online privacy safety is a myth! Even if you use Tor. But that doesn't mean you should stop caring about it.
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#19
RE: The Tor browser
(June 17, 2019 at 8:01 am)FlatAssembler Wrote:
(June 17, 2019 at 6:08 am)SenseMaker007 Wrote: Three types of people will use it: Dodgy people, paranoid people ... and paranoid dodgy people.

Oh, okay, four ... maybe it's of some use to Law Enforcement. But they probably have their own methods of being undercover. I dunno.

Basically, unless you're a cop ... it's silly to use it (at best).

Do you realize that almost every on-line forum these days uses HTTPS? Do you think that's also a bad thing somehow? Where do you draw the line here? We should use as much security as it is economically viable, you never know how much security you need until it's too late.

Of course HTTPS is a good thing because it has all the benefits of security with none of the risks.

I wouldn't describe a browser that can access the dark web, on the other hand, as something with no risks to it.

You even admitted yourself that using it puts you on a list "unless you set it up properly." Well, not everyone is an IT buff that can set it up properly.

That's for starters.

Another thing is that it's a slippery slope once you are able to access the dark web. Once you think it's okay to access one part of it then what holds you back from the rest and what stops you from bumping into something truly fucking awful?
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#20
RE: The Tor browser
(June 18, 2019 at 12:09 am)FlatAssembler Wrote:
dyresand Wrote:I say this because of windows operating system is not the most secure operating system in the world.
Yes, but that's because older Windows programs often rely on Windows not having some security features, and attempting to make Windows more secure will break the compatibility. There is no evidence Microsoft is spying on its users. If you ask me, I find it much more likely that Apple and Google are spying on its users. Apple iCloud is demonstrably very unsafe (Apple can easily read our data there), and Google is hiding exactly the code of the part of Chrome we'd need to study to verify Chrome is not sending our private information to Google during the updates.
dyresand Wrote:Now, this is important get yourself a VPN you need that extra added layer of security and keep your ISP even safer than just using Tor.
What's your logic here? If you use VPN, your ISP can almost always tell that. If you are using Tor, you can make it hard for your ISP to see that.
dyresand Wrote:you know HTTPS is a good thing right?
Yes, and that's precisely the point. Now, maybe the SNI does more harm than good (hackers manage to publish false security certificates in spite of it, and it enables many forms of tracking and censorship on-line), maybe HTTPS sometimes lulls people into false sense of security, but overall HTTPS is good. So, why not make it even better by using the Tor browser?

If you use a good VPN service that has no logs then no they cannot tell what you are doing. They can only see the traffic but they can't tell what you are doing. 
Linux is better because it is more secure of an operating system than windows. I would even say windows 10 with SLAX and Linux terminal is better than stock windows 10. 
You can do more in terms of security with the Bash terminal than with PowerShell. If you also want to be even more secure look at a good secure DNS server to connect too.
1.1.1.1 is a good example of a secure DNS server rather than using the ISP DNS they would assign to you.
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