Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: October 20, 2019, 2:17 am

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Top 5 questions against God or the Bible on science
#11
RE: Top 5 questions against God or the Bible on science
Hello! Big Grin
Reply
#12
RE: Top 5 questions against God or the Bible on science
(June 23, 2019 at 10:33 pm)mctxegesis Wrote: Top 5 questions against God or the Bible on science

Hi,

As atheists, what would be the top 5 questions/critiques you would have for believers against God or the Bible within a scientific framework?

I guess my critiques wouldn't be so much about God or the Bible as about how some believers interpret those things. 

In looking briefly at your blog and the BioLogos site, I'd say you have a good understanding of the issues that concern most atheists. I think you're right to address young-Earth creationists and evolution deniers. 

Also it might make sense to argue against that minority of Christians who refuse medical treatment and rely only on prayer. That is an unfortunate misreading of the Bible, it seems to me. 

I see you've made one blog entry about hermeneutics, and that seems like a good idea to me. A lot of trouble seems to come from the (mostly modern) idea that the Bible has to be read literally, as if it were a science book, and not a collection of parables and challenges. This over-simple view is a minority position when seen in the whole history of the church. No doubt some of the worst science-deniers aren't interested in anybody beyond their favorite local preacher, but it might make a difference to some people to see that many of the most influential people in the history of Christianity were NOT in favor of taking every story in the Bible as if it were an account of real history. Nor were most important Christian thinkers at all opposed to science. The idea that Christianity and science are incompatible is a surprisingly modern view, and not built into the religion at all. 

Again, citing important people from history probably won't influence anybody who loves Ken Ham, but just making people aware that Christians in good standing have not traditionally denied science could open some minds. 

Your doing this from within the framework of Christianity seems far more likely to have an effect than arguments from us non-believers. I wish you well.
Reply
#13
RE: Top 5 questions against God or the Bible on science
(June 23, 2019 at 10:33 pm)mctxegesis Wrote: Top 5 questions against God or the Bible on science

Hi,

As atheists, what would be the top 5 questions/critiques you would have for believers against God or the Bible within a scientific framework?

1:  Why is the Bible a clear and blatant plagiarism of the doctrine of FSM?

2: Why is FSM more powerful than your god?

3: Why does DNA look like noodles?

4: What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? (African)

5: Why did you skip the introduction thread?

6: On a scale of 80 to 100% what is the likely hood you're poorly trolling?

7: Cupcake?

8:  Is this statement false?

Sorry for the extra questions
"For the only way to eternal glory is a life lived in service of our Lord, FSM; Verily it is FSM who is the perfect being the name higher than all names, king of all kings and will bestow upon us all, one day, The great reclaiming"  -The Prophet Boiardi-

FSM Grin
Lost Sheep I've defeated with the power of FSM:  Clickable Link  Newest member: Lek 

(October 10, 2019 at 10:28 pm)seylee Wrote: NBMNBMB
 This advice has altered my life irreversibly, Powerful
Reply
#14
RE: Top 5 questions against God or the Bible on science
(June 23, 2019 at 11:07 pm)mctxegesis Wrote: Well, it looks like there was no need to provide a link, right? You found it yourself, and I know it's fairly easy to just google BioLogos and find the link, so I did not bother. There is only 1 BioLogos on the net that discusses this topic.

My question aims at getting a few atheists to question believers as to why they find the existence of God unpersuasive from a scientific perspective, and why they find the Bible is not scientific ( which I agree-- the Bible is NOT scientific ). But I want to get atheists to respond, not myself. Im already satisfied with my own thinking and research for the past decade.

If you are satisfied with your own thinking, I don't think there is anything much any of us could add to improve the situation.
Reply
#15
RE: Top 5 questions against God or the Bible on science
(June 23, 2019 at 11:13 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: My number 1 would actually be in the realm of logical/philosophical framework and involves the concept of original sin and eternal damnation. Neither make any sense at all. Revenge does not make right. It is a very primitive concept based on raw emotion. Hurting the one who hurt me will not ease my pain. Better to rehabilitate him/her so he/she will not do it again.

An enlightened being does not demand, "justice" against his attacker but correction. Why rage against a hurricane? Just avoid them or develop a way to prevent them. Striking back at one is childish. This revenge-think by itself exposes Christianity as a very primitive, very childish idea.

But since you asked for 5 problems....

2. God is supposedly all-knowing. This means that when he created me, he KNEW what my life path would be. If my life-path leads me to Hell, why would he create me in the first place?

3. God is supposedly all-knowing. This means that when he created humanity, he knew exactly what the results would be. Why would he blame his creation for the shortcomings he KNEW they would have? Pretty silly, right?

4. Why is it that the religion people follow is determined by where they were were born? Christians are predominately born and raised in the West. Muslims are predominately born and raised in the Middle East. Buddhists are born and raised in the Far-East. Hindus are born and raised in India.

How is it that "The Truth" is determined by where you were born and raised? The Muslim in Saudi Arabia believes with the same fervor as the southern Baptist Christian in Mississippi, USA. Why is it that religious conviction is determined by where you were born? Sounds like brain-washing to me.

Atheists are EVERYWHERE!

5. Religion has FAILED! It is the secular world that has promoted peace, generated wealth for all and revealed the way to true knowledge through science.


Thank you AFTT47

(June 24, 2019 at 2:49 am)vulcanlogician Wrote:
(June 23, 2019 at 11:07 pm)mctxegesis Wrote: Well, it looks like there was no need to provide a link, right? You found it yourself, and I know it's fairly easy to just google BioLogos and find the link, so I did not bother. There is only 1 BioLogos on the net that discusses this topic.

My question aims at getting a few atheists to question believers as to why they find the existence of God unpersuasive from a scientific perspective, and why they find the Bible is not scientific ( which I agree-- the Bible is NOT scientific ). But I want to get atheists to respond, not myself. Im already satisfied with my own thinking and research for the past decade.

If you are satisfied with your own thinking, I don't think there is anything much any of us could add to improve the situation.


Hi Thank you, but you did not get what I wrote earlier on Page 1 of this thread. I said I was doing an exercise to teach my Christian community and I wanted to get questions from atheists. So far, some of the others have responded with some questions I was looking for. Thank you again.

(June 24, 2019 at 1:01 am)Belaqua Wrote:
(June 23, 2019 at 10:33 pm)mctxegesis Wrote: Top 5 questions against God or the Bible on science

Hi,

As atheists, what would be the top 5 questions/critiques you would have for believers against God or the Bible within a scientific framework?

I guess my critiques wouldn't be so much about God or the Bible as about how some believers interpret those things. 

In looking briefly at your blog and the BioLogos site, I'd say you have a good understanding of the issues that concern most atheists. I think you're right to address young-Earth creationists and evolution deniers. 

Also it might make sense to argue against that minority of Christians who refuse medical treatment and rely only on prayer. That is an unfortunate misreading of the Bible, it seems to me. 

I see you've made one blog entry about hermeneutics, and that seems like a good idea to me. A lot of trouble seems to come from the (mostly modern) idea that the Bible has to be read literally, as if it were a science book, and not a collection of parables and challenges. This over-simple view is a minority position when seen in the whole history of the church. No doubt some of the worst science-deniers aren't interested in anybody beyond their favorite local preacher, but it might make a difference to some people to see that many of the most influential people in the history of Christianity were NOT in favor of taking every story in the Bible as if it were an account of real history. Nor were most important Christian thinkers at all opposed to science. The idea that Christianity and science are incompatible is a surprisingly modern view, and not built into the religion at all. 

Again, citing important people from history probably won't influence anybody who loves Ken Ham, but just making people aware that Christians in good standing have not traditionally denied science could open some minds. 

Your doing this from within the framework of Christianity seems far more likely to have an effect than arguments from us non-believers. I wish you well.


Thank you Balaqua. This is very fair and accurate towards my current stance. I will get some questions from the others who have responded the way I was looking for.
Reply
#16
RE: Top 5 questions against God or the Bible on science
Hard to restrict my questions just to science (and just to five), but I'll have a lash:

1.  Why is the human eye designed backwards?

2.  If Earth is designed as a home for humans, why is there so much of it that is uninhabitable for us?

3.  After the Noahic Flood, where did all the water go?

4.  Pursuant to #3, how did koalas get from Turkey to Australia (a journey notable for its lack of eucalyptus)?

5.  Why is the Bible so ambiguous about science (in other words, why are NO scientific principles clearly stated in the Bible)?

Boru
'A man is accepted into a church for what he believes.  He is turned out for what he knows.' - Mark Twain
Reply
#17
RE: Top 5 questions against God or the Bible on science
(June 24, 2019 at 7:48 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Hard to restrict my questions just to science (and just to five), but I'll have a lash:

1.  Why is the human eye designed backwards?

2.  If Earth is designed as a home for humans, why is there so much of it that is uninhabitable for us?

3.  After the Noahic Flood, where did all the water go?

4.  Pursuant to #3, how did koalas get from Turkey to Australia (a journey notable for its lack of eucalyptus)?

5.  Why is the Bible so ambiguous about science (in other words, why are NO scientific principles clearly stated in the Bible)?

Boru



Thank you BrianSoddingBoru4

(June 24, 2019 at 2:12 am)Nay_Sayer Wrote:
(June 23, 2019 at 10:33 pm)mctxegesis Wrote: Top 5 questions against God or the Bible on science

Hi,

As atheists, what would be the top 5 questions/critiques you would have for believers against God or the Bible within a scientific framework?

1:  Why is the Bible a clear and blatant plagiarism of the doctrine of FSM?
It isn't. It's the reverse as an explanation for it.


2: Why is FSM more powerful than your god?
It isn't.


3: Why does DNA look like noodles?
Good question! So that it fits more easily into a compact space like intestines in your stomach? Lol. Just trying.


4: What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? (African)
I have no clue.


5: Why did you skip the introduction thread?
I did not notice. My apologies.


6: On a scale of 80 to 100% what is the likely hood you're poorly trolling?
0 %. Trolls dont have elaborate blogs nor do they respond this way.


7: Cupcake?
Yes, vanilla, please.


8:  Is this statement false?
Yes it is, the way I read it.


Sorry for the extra questions
No need to be Sorry, the more the better



Reply
#18
RE: Top 5 questions against God or the Bible on science
Questions do not have a logical value. They are questions and can't be for or against anything, by the first law of thought, only propositions can have a value, that you can deem true or false.
Reply
#19
RE: Top 5 questions against God or the Bible on science
(June 24, 2019 at 8:04 am)mctxegesis Wrote:
(June 24, 2019 at 7:48 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Hard to restrict my questions just to science (and just to five), but I'll have a lash:

1.  Why is the human eye designed backwards?

2.  If Earth is designed as a home for humans, why is there so much of it that is uninhabitable for us?

3.  After the Noahic Flood, where did all the water go?

4.  Pursuant to #3, how did koalas get from Turkey to Australia (a journey notable for its lack of eucalyptus)?

5.  Why is the Bible so ambiguous about science (in other words, why are NO scientific principles clearly stated in the Bible)?

Boru



Thank you BrianSoddingBoru4

(June 24, 2019 at 2:12 am)Nay_Sayer Wrote: 1:  Why is the Bible a clear and blatant plagiarism of the doctrine of FSM?
It isn't. It's the reverse as an explanation for it.  


2: Why is FSM more powerful than your god?
It isn't.


3: Why does DNA look like noodles?
Good question! So that it fits more easily into a compact space like intestines in your stomach? Lol. Just trying.


4: What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? (African)
I have no clue.


5: Why did you skip the introduction thread?
I did not notice. My apologies.


6: On a scale of 80 to 100% what is the likely hood you're poorly trolling?
0 %. Trolls dont have elaborate blogs nor do they respond this way.


7: Cupcake?
Yes, vanilla, please.


8:  Is this statement false?
Yes it is, the way I read it.


Sorry for the extra questions
No need to be Sorry, the more the better



1: Nope. I can show you a number of verses pilfered from FSM doctrine

2: It is, but that's ok, FSM is more powerful than anything.

3: DNA looks like noodles as it is a clear mark left by its creator.

4: Off the bridge you go

5 and 6: This is good news, Usually people who start with a thread and ask similar questions here are not being sincere. I appreciate your honesty

7: I ate them. *Burp*

8: So it's true it's false,  wait... *Explodes due to logic loop

Thanks for the reply.  If you do as I do an apply an open mind you will find this place to be very enlightening.

Bless. RAmen
"For the only way to eternal glory is a life lived in service of our Lord, FSM; Verily it is FSM who is the perfect being the name higher than all names, king of all kings and will bestow upon us all, one day, The great reclaiming"  -The Prophet Boiardi-

FSM Grin
Lost Sheep I've defeated with the power of FSM:  Clickable Link  Newest member: Lek 

(October 10, 2019 at 10:28 pm)seylee Wrote: NBMNBMB
 This advice has altered my life irreversibly, Powerful
Reply
#20
RE: Top 5 questions against God or the Bible on science
There was a French scientist who when explaining the details of planetary motion to Napoleon was asked why he had not mentioned god during the explanation.
Laplace, for that was his name answered that he "had had no need for that hypothesis".

That is also my answer to god and science, so far I have had no need for that hypothesis.



You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.

Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.




 








Reply



Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Science, the Bible and Satan Haipule 9 1276 November 16, 2017 at 11:16 am
Last Post: John V
  Curious Science Questions of Wonderment Secular Elf 30 2956 December 30, 2016 at 5:32 pm
Last Post: Jello
  Questions for a neuroscientist SuperMarioGamer 6 1025 October 18, 2016 at 9:44 pm
Last Post: c172
  Questions about Physics, Biology and perspective bennyboy 14 1739 June 23, 2016 at 5:34 am
Last Post: Alex K
  The top three biggest threats to humanity.... lifesagift 58 6812 November 8, 2014 at 8:11 am
Last Post: Gae Bolga
  The Science of Why We Don’t Believe Science FifthElement 23 6032 June 25, 2013 at 10:54 am
Last Post: Rahul
  God vs Science FallentoReason 26 7976 January 30, 2013 at 8:50 am
Last Post: Luckie
  Science Refutes God Whitewolf 16 4223 December 28, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Last Post: Cyberman
  Questions about God and Science Akincana Krishna dasa 95 21326 October 23, 2012 at 4:00 am
Last Post: Jörmungandr
  Rank the top best scientists of all time. Of all time. [so far] Moros Synackaon 28 8331 October 5, 2012 at 9:04 pm
Last Post: Jackalope



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)