The Simple Truth about Light

[Sal]

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Science is the only man-made thing that attempts to systematically and proactively benchmark itself against something higher than that the very basest and most worthless of all possible standards - man’s own wishful thinking.

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Sorry to ruin it for anyone-
Religion is the only man-made thing that attempts to systematically and proactively benchmark itself against something higher than that the very basest and most worthless of all possible standards - man’s own wishful thinking

o rly? Where's Bible 2.0?

[Aegon]

I agree, to an extent. Though I think we glorify science a bit too much on occasion... it's impossible to avoid subjectivity when relying on any data perceived or interpreted by people. Also, real, legitimate scientists have had agendas to push and have allowed that to cloud their studies (yes, you can say "Well they weren't legitimate scientists, but then I'd push back on your definition of a scientist.) Not to mention that many scientific studies have been difficult or impossible to replicate (particularly in psychology but virtually in all fields.)

I think it's the best we got for understanding the universe we live in but sometimes the language people use has me uncomfortable, bordering on irrational worship of science.

The difference is how sincere is the demand to avoid subjectivity, and how hard one is expected to try to avoid subjectivity, as demonstrated by what controls are in place to measure the results.

That's fair.

I think it's always important to remember that, while science is the best we have, it is imperfect and what is true today may not be true tomorrow.

Sorry to ruin it for anyone-
Religion is the only man-made thing that attempts to systematically and proactively benchmark itself against something higher than that the very basest and most worthless of all possible standards - man’s own wishful thinking

o rly? Where's Bible 2.0?

Bible Part II: Electric Boogaloo. A Netflix Original!

Sorry to ruin it for anyone-
Religion is the only man-made thing that attempts to systematically and proactively benchmark itself against something higher than that the very basest and most worthless of all possible standards - man’s own wishful thinking

I fail to see that in any of the Abrahamic religions. Can you show me how Christianity does?

[Amarok]

Sorry to ruin it for anyone-

Religion is the only man-made thing that attempts to systematically and proactively benchmark itself against something higher than that the very basest and most worthless of all possible standards - man’s own wishful thinking

[Anomalocaris]

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Science is the only man-made thing that attempts to systematically and proactively benchmark itself against something higher than that the very basest and most worthless of all possible standards - man’s own wishful thinking.

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Sorry to ruin it for anyone-
Religion is the only man-made thing that attempts to systematically and proactively benchmark itself against something higher than that the very basest and most worthless of all possible standards - man’s own wishful thinking

I don't think you quite grasp the concept of either "higher" or "wishful thinking".   Allow me to illustrate the concepts with examples:

For example:

Believing there is a sky daddy isn't higher than wishful thinking.   It is wishful thinking and rather lower than most other variety of wishful thinking.

Believing morality will be given down onto you isn't higher than wishful thinking   It is wishful thinking and rather lower than most other variety of wishful thinking.

Feeling truth is buttressed by a poll of the less educated and informed isn't higher than wishful thinking   It is wishful thinking and rather lower than most other variety of wishful thinking.

Feeling religion is or ever can be anything other than wishful thinking isn't higher than wishful thinking   It [b]is[/b] wishful thinking and rather lower than most other variety of wishful thinking.

[Haipule]

Sorry to ruin it for anyone-
Religion is the only man-made thing that attempts to systematically and proactively benchmark itself against something higher than that the very basest and most worthless of all possible standards - man’s own wishful thinking

I don't think you quite grasp the concept of either "higher" or "wishful thinking".   Allow me to illustrate the concepts with examples:

For example:

Believing there is a sky daddy isn't higher than wishful thinking.   It is wishful thinking and rather lower than most other variety of wishful thinking.

Believing morality will be given down onto you isn't higher than wishful thinking   It is wishful thinking and rather lower than most other variety of wishful thinking.

Feeling truth is buttressed by a poll of the less educated and informed isn't higher than wishful thinking   It is wishful thinking and rather lower than most other variety of wishful thinking.

Feeling religion is or ever can be anything other than wishful thinking isn't higher than wishful thinking   It [b]is[/b] wishful thinking and rather lower than most other variety of wishful thinking.

I agree with Tackattack, religion is wishful thinking and completely worthless. It is ugly corruption with it's groomed façade of beautiful buildings and people wearing silly hats! They are good at raising money though... 

[Haipule]

As a surfer, there's one thing I understand and that are waves. An ocean wave is a wave of energy propagating in the medium of seawater. The water does not move, except up and down(until it breaks), and neither does the energy. Merely a propagation of energy within a medium--a rate of induction NOT A SPEED!.

Same is true of light. Light is: the propagation of electromagnetic energy in a medium I call aether and most call 'Dark Energy'. Light then is a waveform. It has no speed as it does not move. It therefore, has a 'Rate of Induction' not a 'speed'. It also just goes up and down like a piston with rarefactions and compressions with the size dependent on the spectrum.


Lights rate of induction slows down through the medium of glass by 33%. Once it propagates through the glass, it does not 'speed up'. It instantly returns to its rate of induction             in the medium of dark energy. Light also dissipates by distance. 


Wait...I can't see, I must wipe the photons from my eyes. Photons? Really?! You have to go to college to be that stupid!

Ok, so the energy called ocean wave does not move and neither does the water. Are we ok so far? It is merely a propagation(reduplicating) of energy within a medium that appears to us to move, but actually is a propagation of energy within the medium of seawater--up, down, rate of induction--NOT speed. Are we good? Or are there watermatrons in motion?

Sound is the propagation of vibrational waves within the medium of air. In "space" you cannot hear, no matter how loud you scream to each other, because there is no medium of air to propagate. No stupid phonons!


Light then, is also a wave form of electro-magnetic energy within a medium, with rarefactions and compressions, which merely propagates, over and over, till it dissipates. There is no "speed of light" merely a propagation or, rate of induction within a medium. No photon!

[tackattack]

So much for a casual joke, but ok we can take this down a serious thread.

I fail to see that in any of the Abrahamic religions. Can you show me how Christianity does?

Sure, look up sanctification. It's a really common Christian dictate.

I don't think you quite grasp the concept of either "higher" or "wishful thinking".   Allow me to illustrate the concepts with examples:

For example:

Believing there is a sky daddy isn't higher than wishful thinking.   It is wishful thinking and rather lower than most other variety of wishful thinking.

Believing morality will be given down onto you isn't higher than wishful thinking   It is wishful thinking and rather lower than most other variety of wishful thinking.

Feeling truth is buttressed by a poll of the less educated and informed isn't higher than wishful thinking   It is wishful thinking and rather lower than most other variety of wishful thinking.

Feeling religion is or ever can be anything other than wishful thinking isn't higher than wishful thinking   It is wishful thinking and rather lower than most other variety of wishful thinking.

regardless of whether you find the underlying beliefs tenable or factual, they are beliefs. It's only wishful if it isn't true. It is only lower than other wishful thinking if it has less positive effects.
The belief itself also has material tools (dogma, Bible, doctrine) to tie it to reality, making it not wishful. The group of believers have many positive effects for the community we live and serve in, based on their doctrine's direction. You may have meant delusional, not wishful.

[LadyForCamus]

So much for a casual joke, but ok we can take this down a serious thread.

I fail to see that in any of the Abrahamic religions. Can you show me how Christianity does?

Sure, look up sanctification. It's a really common Christian dictate.

I don't think you quite grasp the concept of either "higher" or "wishful thinking".   Allow me to illustrate the concepts with examples:

For example:

Believing there is a sky daddy isn't higher than wishful thinking.   It is wishful thinking and rather lower than most other variety of wishful thinking.

Believing morality will be given down onto you isn't higher than wishful thinking   It is wishful thinking and rather lower than most other variety of wishful thinking.

Feeling truth is buttressed by a poll of the less educated and informed isn't higher than wishful thinking   It is wishful thinking and rather lower than most other variety of wishful thinking.

Feeling religion is or ever can be anything other than wishful thinking isn't higher than wishful thinking   It is wishful thinking and rather lower than most other variety of wishful thinking.

regardless of whether you find the underlying beliefs tenable or factual, they are beliefs. It's only wishful if it isn't true.

The question is, do you find your underlying beliefs tenable and factual, or is it a matter of faith? If your belief is faith-based, then you’re tacitly admitting you have no sound reason to believe them, which would be indistinguishable from wishful thinking.

It is only lower than other wishful thinking if it has less positive effects.

What do you mean by, “lower”? Could you provide an example? I’d say the negative effects of religion on the world as a whole all but obliterates any positive effects it may have for any single individual.

The belief itself also has material tools (dogma, Bible, doctrine) to tie it to reality, making it not wishful.

So does Islam. Do you consider Islam anything more than the wishful thinking of Muslims borne of a book and a set of rules that have been taught to them?

[Aegon]

So much for a casual joke, but ok we can take this down a serious thread.

I fail to see that in any of the Abrahamic religions. Can you show me how Christianity does?

Sure, look up sanctification. It's a really common Christian dictate.

I don't understand how it relates. We can't be referring to the same thing. I'll respond how I think you meant that, and feel free to correct me. Christianity benchmarking itself to the highest standard of Christian within the umbrella of Christian standards is far from what I'm talking about. The opposite, actually. Forget the term "wishful thinking," it is about man's ego.

The scientific process is the least ego-driven process we have of ascertaining what is true.*, because the goal is to figure out things that are objectively true independent of subjective human experience, to the best of our ability. There are limits to it. There are flaws inherent to it. But it is the best we've got. Religion, on the other hand, seems to be entirely based on subjective human experience. Abrahamic religions are painfully obviously stuck in egotistical thought... and it starts with a God who acts just like a king in a religious philosophy that mirrors the familiar hierarchy of the time, and snowballs from there. Man thinks too highly of himself, and through a desire for self-preservation creates a God that interacts with and protects him in addition to a worldview that allows a permanent self to survive physical decay. These, to me, are irrational attachments born out of ego. It is an awfully narrow view that, for the life of me, I just can't understand. Things are so much bigger than us. Unfathomably bigger.

How is trying to rise to the standard of a saint a way in which an entire belief system checks itself? I was more interested in learning how Christianity may correct itself in light of new information, but I don't think it has; hence my question.

* One could argue it is egotistical to think that man can figure out what is true, and maybe you'd have a point. But that's a different argument and doesn't contradict what I'm saying.

The belief itself also has material tools (dogma, Bible, doctrine) to tie it to reality, making it not wishful.

Is it not wishful thinking to hope those things are actually remotely true? At least in the scientific method you have ways of verifying things independent of us. Our eyes may deceive us and trick us into thinking that there is a moon above us, but calculations tell us there's got to be something massive up there fucking with the water.

[Anomalocaris]

So much for a casual joke, but ok we can take this down a serious thread.

I fail to see that in any of the Abrahamic religions. Can you show me how Christianity does?

Sure, look up sanctification. It's a really common Christian dictate.

I don't think you quite grasp the concept of either "higher" or "wishful thinking".   Allow me to illustrate the concepts with examples:

For example:

Believing there is a sky daddy isn't higher than wishful thinking.   It is wishful thinking and rather lower than most other variety of wishful thinking.

Believing morality will be given down onto you isn't higher than wishful thinking   It is wishful thinking and rather lower than most other variety of wishful thinking.

Feeling truth is buttressed by a poll of the less educated and informed isn't higher than wishful thinking   It is wishful thinking and rather lower than most other variety of wishful thinking.

Feeling religion is or ever can be anything other than wishful thinking isn't higher than wishful thinking   It is wishful thinking and rather lower than most other variety of wishful thinking.

regardless of whether you find the underlying beliefs tenable or factual, they are beliefs. It's only wishful if it isn't true. It is only lower than other wishful thinking if it has less positive effects.
The belief itself also has material tools (dogma, Bible, doctrine) to tie it to reality, making it not wishful. The group of believers have many positive effects for the community we live and serve in, based on their doctrine's direction. You may have meant delusional, not wishful.

No.  A belief does not become wishful merely because it is untrue.  A wishful belief can still be coincidentally true.  Any sincere search for belief that is true in the sense of bearing strong reliable correlation to, and pristine power of, reality will likely arrive at its eventually goal through a succession of intermediate stages of untrue or partially untrue beliefs.   A belief is wishful if its primary foundation is the believer’s wish for it to be true. The intermediate stages that are untrue need not to be wishful.   In fact a diligent and sincere search for the truth ensures that all the intermediate beliefs that are untrue, are not wishful.

Again, A belief is wishful if its primary foundation is the believer’s wish for it to be true.  The fact that a wishful thinking person does not wish to appear to be a worthless wish-thinker, and so correl convenient flimflam that gained counterfeit credibility amongst the uncritical from its long success in the practice of its con, such as the Bible, or your Jesus, as fraudulent evidence for his beliefs does not make him less of a wishthinker, but rather a more abstinent, less self-critical one less capable of any elevation above the sad state than the ordinary wishthinker.

A wishthinking belief is not higher or lower in this sense because of some cherry picked effects that can be selected to show case it, or implicate it.  In fact to judge it on this basis is wishthinking in itself. (I wish this belief was true because believing it to be true has good effects, therefore it is true).   A belief is higher or lower in inverse proportion to the amount of intellectual laxity implied of the person in holding it, and in the amount and extent of threats, fraud and deceit built into itself for the purpose of its own propagation by making the weak witted wish more strongly that it were true, such as you won’t be “saved” if you don’t believe it, and will be saved (for perhaps eternal sucking of Jesus cock?) if you did believe it.