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What happened to me?
#21
RE: What happened to me?
(July 13, 2019 at 9:18 am)Little lunch Wrote:
(July 12, 2019 at 11:02 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: You post that fucking wall of text attempting to explain why you've gone completely doolally and tell us you aren't going to read any replies?

You're right - you really ARE a pussy.

Boru

Ah Boru, love your sense of humour but I'm not so fond of that black heart.

'Pussy' was rob's word, not mine.  I have a black heart because I agree with his description of himself?

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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#22
RE: What happened to me?
My read on what has happened to you, Rob is that about a year ago (or maybe a bit before), you fell off the deep end into full on conspiracy land, with a side order of "men's rights" misogyny. With the post above, I am pretty sure you're still drowning.

(July 12, 2019 at 4:34 pm)LastPoet Wrote: Definately rob is facing trouble. And since he said he wouldn't be reading replies, his father was a hamster and her mother smelt like dingleberries.

Au contraire his mother was a hamster, and his father smells of elderberries, you stewpid Eenglish Kenighecht!
The great appear great because we are on our knees. Let us rise!
Big James
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#23
RE: What happened to me?
Conspiracy theories bring comfort to many people. Instead of facing a chaotic world, ruled by incompetence and irrationality, you can believe, that it's all being controlled by "bad" people and organisations, which can potentially be replaced with "good" ones in order to solve complicated problems we're facing. You also get to feel like you have some privileged knowledge and understanding of an ongoing struggle between good and evil, that brainwashed masses can't and won't comprehend, so you don't even have to try to engage them, or provide evidence.

I think Brexit played a substantial part in Rob losing his mind. Three years ago he seemed pretty devastated by his country doing something so dumb and self-damaging for no good reason. I imagine it felt more comfortable to believe, that it's actually a move against the globalists, the SJWs, and the "MSM"-s' so right wing conspirstorial bullsh*t fell on fertile ground. (BTW - "mainstream" is one word, for f*ck's sake, so shouldn't mainstream media be abbreviated as "MM"?) I doubt much can be done about it - he's found his bubble and his religion, which make him disregard the opinions of brainwashed "sheeple" like us.

Good luck to you Rob. You used to be smart, now you come across as a nutter - and not the good kind, like Yours Truly. It's heartbreaking, but hey - whatever makes you feel like you're smarter than everybody else...
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
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#24
RE: What happened to me?
(July 12, 2019 at 6:37 am)robvalue Wrote: .

Imagine being an atheist in a very religious, fundamentalist town. Many of you may well have first hand experience of that. Now imagine that the rest of the world is also just as fundamentally religious, to the tune of 99% at the least. Imagine if you couldn’t speak publicly about your beliefs or experiences anywhere, except with a very few understanding people, or at specific places. If you do, you’ll get socially shunned at best, and arrested at worst.
What you are facing is not oppression rob; atheists don't face oppression in Europe and America; they have their full freedoms, even the constitution of all countries there is "secular" and criminalizes the rule of religion.
Last time I checked; the one and only modern state ruled by religious fundamentalists was the "ISIL"; and that's in the Middle East. There, you can lose your head if you change the religion you were forced into since birth.
You are deluding if you say atheists are being stunned and arrested at a European country or in Britain. If they didn't prosper there, where would they prosper?
Remember and imagine what we Arabs go through every day hearing the estimations of our deaths and torture either at the hands of religious extremists or by the hands brutal governments, and hear about the death toll in other Arab countries including our own.
Coming from there makes me tell you to value the gift of safety that you got born into. Believe me you don't want to live where opening your mouth=torture for life.
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#25
RE: What happened to me?
(July 13, 2019 at 10:50 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(July 12, 2019 at 6:37 am)robvalue Wrote: .

Imagine being an atheist in a very religious, fundamentalist town. Many of you may well have first hand experience of that. Now imagine that the rest of the world is also just as fundamentally religious, to the tune of 99% at the least. Imagine if you couldn’t speak publicly about your beliefs or experiences anywhere, except with a very few understanding people, or at specific places. If you do, you’ll get socially shunned at best, and arrested at worst.
What you are facing is not oppression rob; atheists don't face oppression in Europe and America; they have their full freedoms, even the constitution of all countries there is "secular" and criminalizes the rule of religion.
Last time I checked; the one and only modern state ruled by religious fundamentalists was the "ISIL"; and that's in the Middle East. There, you can lose your head if you change the religion you were forced into since birth.
You are deluding if you say atheists are being stunned and arrested at a European country or in Britain. If they didn't prosper there, where would they prosper?
Remember and imagine what we Arabs go through every day hearing the estimations of our deaths and torture either at the hands of religious extremists or by the hands brutal governments, and hear about the death toll in other Arab countries including our own.
Coming from there makes me tell you to value the gift of safety that you got born into. Believe me you don't want to live where opening your mouth=torture for life.

My reading of this is he is equating his belief in demonstrably not true conspiracy theories that no one takes seriously with being an atheist.

As I have said he has fallen a long way from the path of reason.

By the way Rob did you know that putting tin foil on your head actually increases the transmitting and receiving of radio waves to the brain.

https://www.howtogeek.com/114037/researc...t-signals/



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#26
RE: What happened to me?
People post a lot of bat shit crazy ideas on these forums. The difference with Rob at the moment is that he posts, and then does not engage with anyone who bothers to reply. I don't mind discussing his ideas with him, but I ain't talking to myself... I do enough of that in real life.
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#27
RE: What happened to me?
(July 12, 2019 at 6:37 am)robvalue Wrote: You can consider this a love letter to the forum, to the amazing times I had here, the friends I made, and the things I learned.

Many of you are probably wondering what the hell is wrong with me. I don’t blame you. I’m going to try and explain. If you don’t care, that’s fine.

To sum it up, I’ve had a major paradigm shift, and I’ve become an outcast and a pussy. I have been wondering why I’ve become a pussy, but I realised just this morning that it’s probably as a result of being an outcast and the treatment I’ve received because of it.

I’m going to be talking in general terms about my interactions with people; I’m not specifically talking about this forum. I’m discussing all online and offline discussions.

Imagine being an atheist in a very religious, fundamentalist town. Many of you may well have first hand experience of that. Now imagine that the rest of the world is also just as fundamentally religious, to the tune of 99% at the least. Imagine if you couldn’t speak publicly about your beliefs or experiences anywhere, except with a very few understanding people, or at specific places. If you do, you’ll get socially shunned at best, and arrested at worst.

There’s no point me even saying what the shift is, because it would be as pointless as talking about evolution in the fundamentalist town. There is about, in my experience, 0.1% of the population who know what I am talking about, and that I can openly discuss things with. There are maybe 1-2% of people who are open-minded enough to at least listen to me without freaking out or insulting me. Everyone else is either entirely uninterested or actively hostile.

I don’t entirely blame people for this. I can at least share the first step in my journey, and that is realising that the mainstream media is a propaganda engine. Most people base most of their beliefs directly on what the MSM says. It’s understandable. People don't have the time or inclination to properly research things for themselves, and when you’re sufficiently convinced you have a "reliable source" of news, you don’t even feel the need to. The first rule of any propaganda engine is to demonise anyone it doesn’t work on, just like fundamentalist religions usually demonise atheists. It also builds huge straw men about what it would even mean to not be a part of the "in group", how it would work, what the motivations are, and why it’s impossible that such people could ever be right about any of it.

This means that people simply don’t look outside the MSM on the whole, because they’ve been convinced it’s all just crazy people. There certainly are a lot of crazy people. But there’s also loads of very serious, evidence-based social/political commentators who will tell you things the MSM never will. Only by listening to both sides can you reach a balanced conclusion. The more traction someone outside the MSM gets, the more the MSM will smear them. They’re trolls, extremists, alt-right, fascists, white nationalists, racists, and so on. Almost always, these accusations are gross exaggerations at best and entirely made up at worst.

So, yeah. People are being brainwashed. I was brainwashed, for the first 41 years of my life. I had a random opportunity to investigate the fact that I might being brainwashed, which had never even occurred to me before. I took it. Most people wouldn’t. People like to think they are open minded, but in my experience, they are not. They spend most of their time trying to reaffirm what they already believe. I’m guilty of it too, but I try to always be open to anything. Ironically, a few weeks before this all started, I said to myself something like, "Of course, I could be fundamentally wrong about anything. What if I’m wrong? Well, I may not even realise there’s anything to be wrong about, and so I can’t do anything about it. But I will remain curious and open minded, and if I find evidence which contradicts what I think I know, I’ll change my beliefs accordingly." A very strange prophecy. Of course, I could be wrong now. Or crazy. I consider those options all the time, which is why I check and re-check the evidence routinely. And I mean real evidence. I don’t mean taking anyone's word for anything.

I’m not trying to be patronising. I don’t think badly of people for not believing me, or for not being interested. That’s totally fine. What the problem has been is the amount of abuse I have received. Again, I’m not talking about here specifically. It comes very fast, it’s emotionally charged, it involves using labels to shut me down (the choice method of the current PC agenda) and there is zero interest in what evidence I might have. All the focus is on me, what may be wrong with me, what my motivations may be, what has happened to me, etc; and also on the impossibility of me being right. This isn’t by accident, of course. The propaganda engine conditions people to react exactly in this way. Even so, when people I thought were friends talk to me like this, it really hurts. This is why, I think, I’ve become a pussy. I’m too paranoid that someone I care about is going to lay into me, and that’s too much for me. Some stranger talking shit about me I don’t care about. They can think whatever they want.

So, yeah. I haven’t been reading responses to my recent posts about Facebook, for the above reason, and I’ve acted that way before too. I wrote about Facebook here because I felt it was so important that it needed exposing and shutting down before it slipped through. I will be very surprised if any MSM cover the story. Why did Facebook attempt to become a rallying point for incitement of violence against people they don’t like? The fact that they retracted it due to pushback is good of course, but the fact that they tried at all is really serious. I hope people realise how serious. If it wasn’t for people following alternative media, hardly anyone would have probably found out about this in the first place and they may have gotten away with it. Big tech will try again, in another way, and soon. They keep on prodding to see what they can get away with.

I didn’t read responses like I say, so I apologise if I’ve missed things. I'm not trying to be rude, I’m just a pussy, which is why I’ve encouraged people to PM me of late. On the whole, I get very very few, so it’s apparent there’s little interest in what I have to say. That’s fine. But I wanted to write this anyway, as the forum meant a lot to me and there are a lot of really good people here.

Imagine how much your views on things change after realising religion is bullshit. A lot, I expect. It makes conversation with fundamental theists potentially very difficult. I experience the same thing. My views have changed, to a smaller or larger degree, on such a wide variety of subjects, so that it’s really hard to talk to people, even casually. All I can do is put on the face of a normie, or talk about unimportant things.

This makes me an outcast, to a degree. Obviously it’s not like I’ve been shunned from my community (although I have been from some online ones). If I started talking honestly about almost any subject frequently though, I’d be very quickly dismissed and labelled as all sorts of things.

Again, I’m not going to read replies here because I’m a pussy. I will continue to check my PMs, if anyone has anything polite to say. I don’t expect any response though. This was just a pouring out of my heart, as I feel there might be at least a few people who might be genuinely interested in why I’m so different. It’s a bit like realising that a person you trusted all your life has actually been slowly poisoning you.

The question on no-one's lips is this: have I managed to "deprogram" anyone? Well, I don’t actively go after anyone. I tried posting and discussing on forums about various things, but it just doesn’t work. It becomes me-versus-everyone, and that’s a lot to handle, even if I wasn’t emotionally fragile. I’ve had a few private conversations with people who were interested or at least prepared to listen. Out of those, I’ve deprogrammed no one. They either already knew that a lot of what I’m saying is true, or they’ve remained unconvinced that there’s any validity to what I’m saying. There is one person who I feel is on the fence, and who I think has the opportunity to also become deprogrammed. I’ll have to wait and see there. Many people have made it clear they don't want to know, even if I’m right.

Thanks so much to anyone who made it to the end of this pile of dogshit. It really pains me to be unable to properly interact here (or anywhere) anymore. Take care you guys.

People who are crazy, suffer from things like mania, have a tendency to hyper focus on conspirational things, judging that you seemed to indicate that people including your friends look at you like you’ve lost the plot a bit, maybe their assumptions are accurate.
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#28
RE: What happened to me?
It's not really assumptions, since some of us even here whitnessed this spiraling down.
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#29
RE: What happened to me?
(July 14, 2019 at 4:17 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:
(July 13, 2019 at 10:50 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: What you are facing is not oppression rob; atheists don't face oppression in Europe and America; they have their full freedoms, even the constitution of all countries there is "secular" and criminalizes the rule of religion.
Last time I checked; the one and only modern state ruled by religious fundamentalists was the "ISIL"; and that's in the Middle East. There, you can lose your head if you change the religion you were forced into since birth.
You are deluding if you say atheists are being stunned and arrested at a European country or in Britain. If they didn't prosper there, where would they prosper?
Remember and imagine what we Arabs go through every day hearing the estimations of our deaths and torture either at the hands of religious extremists or by the hands brutal governments, and hear about the death toll in other Arab countries including our own.
Coming from there makes me tell you to value the gift of safety that you got born into. Believe me you don't want to live where opening your mouth=torture for life.

My reading of this is he is equating his belief in demonstrably not true conspiracy theories that no one takes seriously with being an atheist.

As I have said he has fallen a long way from the path of reason.

By the way Rob did you know that putting tin foil on your head actually increases the transmitting and receiving of radio waves to the brain.

https://www.howtogeek.com/114037/researc...t-signals/

Reading the reality of the world is essential to form a reasonable point of view. Rob's news sources are not credible at all if they tell him that atheists are oppressed in western countries;  I hate seeing anybody falling a victim for propaganda and conspiracy theories.
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#30
RE: What happened to me?
(July 13, 2019 at 11:03 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(July 13, 2019 at 9:18 am)Little lunch Wrote: Ah Boru, love your sense of humour but I'm not so fond of that black heart.

'Pussy' was rob's word, not mine.  I have a black heart because I agree with his description of himself?

Boru

Yes.
But black heart was too strong.
I probably should have just said, 'I think you're being mean.'




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