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Why Creationists don't realize the biblical Creation is just jewish mythology?
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RE: Why Creationists don't realize the biblical Creation is just jewish mythology?
(July 26, 2019 at 2:39 am)Haipule Wrote: Theology has NOTHING to do with the Scriptures themselves. Scriptures DO NOT teach such nonsense! Theologies are completely manmade and completely useless. They are religion and a believe system to get you to heaven when you die--which is stupid! They are complete with a man-made hierarchy and money grubbing system. And everyone has an opinion--works, grace, etc, stupid, stupid, stupid! Yet, the Scriptural reality is how to live life, kickin' ass, abundantly, right here, right now! As you live your life! Whether you know what your doing or not! I DON'T JUDGE! Neither does God!
How odd. You have used a theological argument to contend that theology is wrong. You don't see the obvious problem?

(July 26, 2019 at 2:39 am)Haipule Wrote: Jesus only asked us to follow Him. IT IS INSANE! Yes. Yet treasure non-the-less! 
Did he? Your magic book makes that claim, sure. But did he say that? Did he even exist?

(July 26, 2019 at 2:39 am)Haipule Wrote: At the end there is a book of lives!
If you believe that then you should become a Jew. ETA: Not being anti-semitic here, but if you are endorsing a specific jewish belief, why are you not jewish?

(July 26, 2019 at 2:39 am)Haipule Wrote: That's all that really matters.
It doesn't matter at all.

(July 26, 2019 at 2:39 am)Haipule Wrote: Did you live the life of His promise?
He promised nothing interesting and likely never existed anyway.

(July 26, 2019 at 2:39 am)Haipule Wrote: Or, are you going to make an excuse out of what others taught you?
Do I want to be like you and vomit forth the religious crap you have been taught? No thanks.

(July 26, 2019 at 2:39 am)Haipule Wrote: That excuse won't fly! If you are deceived by theology: you are self-deceived because God TOLD us to challenge everything!
OK, I challenge the claim that any god exists. There is no evidence for any of the thousands of claimed deities. No prayer has ever been answerd by any of them save by coincidence that we would expect statistically to occur anyway. Now what?
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#62
RE: Why Creationists don't realize the biblical Creation is just jewish mythology?
(July 27, 2019 at 1:09 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:
(July 26, 2019 at 2:39 am)Haipule Wrote: Theology has NOTHING to do with the Scriptures themselves. Scriptures DO NOT teach such nonsense! Theologies are completely manmade and completely useless. They are religion and a believe system to get you to heaven when you die--which is stupid! They are complete with a man-made hierarchy and money grubbing system. And everyone has an opinion--works, grace, etc, stupid, stupid, stupid! Yet, the Scriptural reality is how to live life, kickin' ass, abundantly, right here, right now! As you live your life! Whether you know what your doing or not! I DON'T JUDGE! Neither does God!
How odd. You have used a theological argument to contend that theology is wrong. You don't see the obvious problem?

(July 26, 2019 at 2:39 am)Haipule Wrote: Jesus only asked us to follow Him. IT IS INSANE! Yes. Yet treasure non-the-less! 
Did he? Your magic book makes that claim, sure. But did he say that? Did he even exist?

(July 26, 2019 at 2:39 am)Haipule Wrote: At the end there is a book of lives!
If you believe that then you should become a Jew. ETA: Not being anti-semitic here, but if you are endorsing a specific jewish belief, why are you not jewish?

(July 26, 2019 at 2:39 am)Haipule Wrote: That's all that really matters.
It doesn't matter at all.

(July 26, 2019 at 2:39 am)Haipule Wrote: Did you live the life of His promise?
He promised nothing interesting and likely never existed anyway.

(July 26, 2019 at 2:39 am)Haipule Wrote: Or, are you going to make an excuse out of what others taught you?
Do I want to be like you and vomit forth the religious crap you have been taught? No thanks.

(July 26, 2019 at 2:39 am)Haipule Wrote: That excuse won't fly! If you are deceived by theology: you are self-deceived because God TOLD us to challenge everything!
OK, I challenge the claim that any god exists. There is no evidence for any of the thousands of claimed deities. No prayer has ever been answerd by any of them save by coincidence that we would expect statistically to occur anyway. Now what?
My God! At least you are intelligent! Anti-theology Sir! I cant use theology to support my anecdotal life because it can't! Not to a atheist, or a Christian! Theology is complete bullshit! Do you agree? People went to seminary school to learn how to be that stupid! My life is God real: you can't deny that I exist! Really? I had to get out of theology to figure that out!

I had to get out of the theological handcuffs to move to Australia when I was 19yrs. To experience Tasmania and Bali, the Gold Coast, Victoria, Sydney, the North Shore of O'ahu!

It's stupid but, people often ask me why I moved to Australia when I was 19? Because the legal drinking age is 18! Do you think I'm stupid?!

The bible is all about life and that zOE--abundant life! Excuse me for taking advantage of my GOD GIVEN opportunities!
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#63
RE: Why Creationists don't realize the biblical Creation is just jewish mythology?
(July 27, 2019 at 3:30 am)Haipule Wrote: Anti-theology Sir! I cant use theology to support my anecdotal life because it can't! Not to a atheist, or a Christian! Theology is complete bullshit! Do you agree? People went to seminary school to learn how to be that stupid! My life is God real: you can't deny that I exist! Really? I had to get out of theology to figure that out!

Yeah but... then why be a "Christian" in the first place? It's an arbitrary designation having to do with an arbitrary acceptance of a (perhaps!) not so arbitrary sacrifice.

I've read the Gospels, bro. And, despite my legions of inadequacies (social ineptness, lack of skill at wooing women, sucking at working construction jobs, failing to load a dishwasher properly), being able to absorb, comprehend, and remember stuff I have read is actually one of my strong points.

After having read your Gospels I have this to say: I have known tons of atheists who act the way "your lord Jesus" commands in his sermon on the mount, simply because they think it's the right thing to do. And I've known tons of Christians who would never under any circumstances do that stuff that "your lord Jesus commands" in that sermon on the mount... even under the pressure of thumbscrews... because they despise the idea of ever acting in that fashion. And the only reason they consider themselves Christians in the first place is because they dig the idea of getting to live forever in Paradise because they nodded their head when someone asked them to believe a sacrifice story.

I agree with you, Haipule. Theology is complete bullshit. But (and I think this is where we might disagree) doesn't that mean that Christianity is bullshit?
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#64
RE: Why Creationists don't realize the biblical Creation is just jewish mythology?
(July 27, 2019 at 3:53 am)vulcanlogician Wrote:
(July 27, 2019 at 3:30 am)Haipule Wrote: Anti-theology Sir! I cant use theology to support my anecdotal life because it can't! Not to a atheist, or a Christian! Theology is complete bullshit! Do you agree? People went to seminary school to learn how to be that stupid! My life is God real: you can't deny that I exist! Really? I had to get out of theology to figure that out!

Yeah but... then why be a "Christian" in the first place? It's an arbitrary designation having to do with an arbitrary acceptance of a (perhaps!) not so arbitrary sacrifice.

I've read the Gospels, bro. And, despite my legions of inadequacies (social ineptness, lack of skill at wooing women, sucking at working construction jobs, failing to load a dishwasher properly), being able to absorb, comprehend, and remember stuff I have read is actually one of my strong points.

After having read your Gospels I have this to say: I have known tons of atheists who act the way "your lord Jesus" commands in his sermon on the mount, simply because they think it's the right thing to do. And I've known tons of Christians who would never under any circumstances do that stuff that "your lord Jesus commands" in that sermon on the mount... even under the pressure of thumbscrews... because they despise the idea of ever acting in that fashion. And the only reason they consider themselves Christians in the first place is because they dig the idea of getting to live forever in Paradise because they nodded their head when someone asked them to believe a sacrifice story.

I agree with you, Haipule. Theology is complete bullshit. But (and I think this is where we might disagree) doesn't that mean that Christianity is bullshit?
I defend the bible but not Christianity because Christianity IS bullshit. christianos is first the Greek christos which means: anointed. -ianos is a Latin adjectival ending and means: belonging to(in a first century sense of slave/employee). It was a word given us by outsiders. They didn't call themselves that. In the 2nd century "Christian" became a title of honor.

Now days a "Christian" is someone who accepts the Nicene Creed which is complete bullshit--every word of it! So, in that sense I am not a Christian. The Beatitudes:

Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Matt 5:3 NASB
 
Now let’s look at this verse from a more hyper-literal translation with the removed definite article [thee] put back in, so that we can begin to see what truly Jesus had said:
 
Hyper-Literal(same verse): [the character and nature belonging to]wealthy(prosperous, fortunate) thee-all destitute-ones(ptOchos, far less then poor, 0% you ) (with respect)to-[thee] pneumati-breath(100% God), that(purpose) of-them-same she-is thee rulership(feminine) of-[thee] skies(plural, not of the land and therefore, over the land i.e., the kingdom/rulership of the heavens/skies, being above, is having/possessing authority over the all things of the earth-land, right here, right now!). Matt 5:3
 
In other words, if we are humbled(not “humble”) in the flesh with respect to that which God breaths which fills, nurtures, cleanses, purifies, trains and builds us as trustworthy-ones of God through study and life, then we-all, so described as being so humbled, are [the character and nature of]abundantly-wealthy and we are the ones who possess the rulership of the heavens/skies, right here, right now, and that, whether we understand it or not, with Divine vested and delegated authority to rule the all things of earth, being over the earth, because we understand the equation: “100% God + 0% you = 100% God” and not, “God helps those who help themselves”, which is neither stated in Scripture nor implied. Jesus did not say “the poor in spirit”; whatever that means? He said, “thee destitute-ones (with respect)to-thee breath--that which God breathes, both knowledge and life”.

I am not a "believer". I am a truster of God and His Word kickin' ass. Not some lame "believer" getting his ass kicked! I don't "believe" in Jesus. I trust Him and there's a big difference! It took my whole life to understand that. And, I couldn't learn that in church.
My girlfriend thinks I'm a stalker. Well...she's not my girlfriend "yet".

I discovered a new vitamin that fights cancer. I call it ...B9

I also invented a diet pill. It works great but had to quit taking it because of the side effects. Turns out my penis is larger and my hair grew back. And whoa! If you think my hair is nice!

When does size truly matter? When it's TOO big!

I'm currently working on a new pill I call "Destenze". However...now my shoes don't fit.
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#65
RE: Why Creationists don't realize the biblical Creation is just jewish mythology?
Haipule has spent time in Tasmania.  Things are getting clearer.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#66
RE: Why Creationists don't realize the biblical Creation is just jewish mythology?
(July 27, 2019 at 8:27 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Haipule has spent time in Tasmania.  Things are getting clearer.

Boru
I spent an entire summer there. Those people are so cool and fun loving, generous. The guy that owned the only surf shop in Hobart, Island Surf Center--Ian Blom, let me stay with him. I just did the dishes and kept his refrigerator stocked with Cascade Beer. He had all the keys to all the logging roads and we surfed some spots that were way off-grid!

He told me to go to South Bruny Island off the coast of Hobart(the end of the earth). I drove off the ferry and parked on the beach just like he said. Then walked right around the headland to a bay--absolute perfection! I was all by my self and didn't see a human for a week until the mighty mutton bird hunters showed up.

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I surfed a place called Eaglehawk Neck. Such beauty and perfection![Image: 20081209054310-surf-spot-photo-Eaglehawk...rf_014.jpg]
My girlfriend thinks I'm a stalker. Well...she's not my girlfriend "yet".

I discovered a new vitamin that fights cancer. I call it ...B9

I also invented a diet pill. It works great but had to quit taking it because of the side effects. Turns out my penis is larger and my hair grew back. And whoa! If you think my hair is nice!

When does size truly matter? When it's TOO big!

I'm currently working on a new pill I call "Destenze". However...now my shoes don't fit.
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