"Laughing At Religion" Meme Thread

[soldierofGod]

A regional flood that large, that could cover mountains, would have to be global since there are no geological formations to keep the water contained to the region.  So, since we know there was no global flood, the idea of a regional deluge that could cover mountains is preposterous.

And if the Sumerians lived in the area the “ark” ended up, it’s unlikely that they would get the name of the builder wrong, only for it to be written down millennia later by a tribe that likely originated far away.

Let’s not forget, either, that it’s a story, with absolutely no supporting evidence (like most stories from the bible and koran.

There may be a regional-universal flood without the need to cover all the large mountains. A regional flood does not mean that this has to flood only that area, it depends on which "regional" flood is located, it may actually be global.

The Sumerians did not settle on top of where the ark was but near. This civilization was the first to be formed after the flood, in Mesopotamia.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

A regional flood that large, that could cover mountains, would have to be global since there are no geological formations to keep the water contained to the region.  So, since we know there was no global flood, the idea of a regional deluge that could cover mountains is preposterous.

And if the Sumerians lived in the area the “ark” ended up, it’s unlikely that they would get the name of the builder wrong, only for it to be written down millennia later by a tribe that likely originated far away.

Let’s not forget, either, that it’s a story, with absolutely no supporting evidence (like most stories from the bible and koran.

There may be a regional-universal flood without the need to cover all the large mountains. A regional flood does not mean that this has to flood only that area, it depends on which "regional" flood is located, it may actually be global.

Again, let's visit the source materiel:

'They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits.'

Cubits come in several different lengths, but let's use the Hebrew short cubit (for reasons which should be obvious) of 17 1/2 inches.  This means that the Flood waters covered the top of Mount Everest to a depth of almost 22 feet.  You can work out for yourself (or look it up) the volume of water that would be required to do this.

Boru

[The Valkyrie]

A regional flood that large, that could cover mountains, would have to be global since there are no geological formations to keep the water contained to the region.  So, since we know there was no global flood, the idea of a regional deluge that could cover mountains is preposterous.

And if the Sumerians lived in the area the “ark” ended up, it’s unlikely that they would get the name of the builder wrong, only for it to be written down millennia later by a tribe that likely originated far away.

Let’s not forget, either, that it’s a story, with absolutely no supporting evidence (like most stories from the bible and koran.

There may be a regional-universal flood without the need to cover all the large mountains. A regional flood does not mean that this has to flood only that area, it depends on which "regional" flood is located, it may actually be global.

The Sumerians did not settle on top of where the ark was but near. This civilization was the first to be formed after the flood, in Mesopotamia.

I know what Mesopotamia is, thank you.

And, as I said, there’s no reason why they would change the details so dramatically if the lived in the immediate vicinity.

I won’t even go into the downsides of populating the earth again through acts of incest (a whole world like Alabama...)

As Boru pointed out, the source material says different. If it’s the word of god then it shouldn’t be open to interpretation (or should be written clearly enough that there can be no doubt), and if it is open to interpretation then it cannot be the word of god.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

There may be a regional-universal flood without the need to cover all the large mountains. A regional flood does not mean that this has to flood only that area, it depends on which "regional" flood is located, it may actually be global.

The Sumerians did not settle on top of where the ark was but near. This civilization was the first to be formed after the flood, in Mesopotamia.

I know what Mesopotamia is, thank you.

And, as I said, there’s no reason why they would change the details so dramatically if the lived in the immediate vicinity.

I won’t even go into the downsides of populating the earth again through acts of incest (a whole world like Alabama...)

As Boru pointed out, the source material says different.  If it’s the word of god then it shouldn’t be open to interpretation (or should be written clearly enough that there can be no doubt), and if it is open to interpretation then it cannot be the word of god.

And - just to hammer home the point - it isn't meant to be taken literally.

Early civilizations tended to grow up in the flood plains of rivers.  Since not every river valley civilization was fortunate enough to have a nice, well-behaved river like the Nile, local floods could be unpredictable and devastating.  The ultimate origin of the Flood narrative could very well have been some quick-thinking Sumerian who managed to get both of his goats on a raft before they were swept away.  Would have impressed his neighbours no end.

Boru

[The Valkyrie]

I know what Mesopotamia is, thank you.

And, as I said, there’s no reason why they would change the details so dramatically if the lived in the immediate vicinity.

I won’t even go into the downsides of populating the earth again through acts of incest (a whole world like Alabama...)

As Boru pointed out, the source material says different.  If it’s the word of god then it shouldn’t be open to interpretation (or should be written clearly enough that there can be no doubt), and if it is open to interpretation then it cannot be the word of god.

And - just to hammer home the point - it isn't meant to be taken literally.

Early civilizations tended to grow up in the flood plains of rivers.  Since not every river valley civilization was fortunate enough to have a nice, well-behaved river like the Nile, local floods could be unpredictable and devastating.  The ultimate origin of the Flood narrative could very well have been some quick-thinking Sumerian who managed to get both of his goats on a raft before they were swept away.  Would have impressed his neighbours no end.

Boru

And it’s interesting that the epic of Gilgamesh predates the Noah myth by at least a thousand years but it’s the Noah’s ark story that people still claim is the original.

It’s like the moron Kirk Cameron claiming that the pagan holiday traditions adopted by Christianity were actual originally stolen by the pagans from Christians.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

And - just to hammer home the point - it isn't meant to be taken literally.

Early civilizations tended to grow up in the flood plains of rivers.  Since not every river valley civilization was fortunate enough to have a nice, well-behaved river like the Nile, local floods could be unpredictable and devastating.  The ultimate origin of the Flood narrative could very well have been some quick-thinking Sumerian who managed to get both of his goats on a raft before they were swept away.  Would have impressed his neighbours no end.

Boru

And it’s interesting that the epic of Gilgamesh predates the Noah myth by at least a thousand years but it’s the Noah’s ark story that people still claim is the original.

It’s like the moron Kirk Cameron claiming that the pagan holiday traditions adopted by Christianity were actual originally stolen by the pagans from Christians.

There's actually a very good reason for Cameron's claim.  He's a sociopath.

Boru

[The Valkyrie]

And it’s interesting that the epic of Gilgamesh predates the Noah myth by at least a thousand years but it’s the Noah’s ark story that people still claim is the original.

It’s like the moron Kirk Cameron claiming that the pagan holiday traditions adopted by Christianity were actual originally stolen by the pagans from Christians.

There's actually a very good reason for Cameron's claim.  He's a sociopath.

Boru

Sociopaths everywhere are offended by this claim!

[The Grand Nudger]

Magic book believers have an answer for that. Diabolical Mimicry. Magic book believers realized, as early as there were magic book believers, that their magic book sounds alot like other magic books.

[soldierofGod]

Then please explain: [bold mine]


'You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you.  Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive.'

and


'Pairs of clean and unclean animals, of birds and of all creatures that move along the ground, male and female, came to Noah and entered the ark'

Nowhere in Genesis does God say or indicated that Noah is to collect only local creatures, but two (sometimes seven) of ALL creatures.

The Noahic flood is a morality tale, it wasn't ever meant to be taken literally.

Boru

I said it before, Noah picked up the animals that were around him. It is impossible for Noah to gather all the terrestrial animals of the earth at a specific point. The number - seven - appears in the Bible more than 700 times, its interpretation can be literal or metaphorical. The number -seven- metaphorically means "some or several or various." The expression of this odd number is also used by God in the Koran (and in the Hadiths of the Prophet). It is an expression that the ancient Semites used at that time.

The Genesis 7 does not say at any time that Noah should gather ALL the terrestrial animals on Earth. It is true that God does not order Noah to gather the local creatures but neither does He order to gather all the creatures of the Earth. Noah gathers ALL the creatures around him basically, not the whole Earth.

[The Grand Nudger]

That makes the story even less defensible than it already was, as is so often the case with these attempts. One immediately wonders how all the rest of the globes life survived this flood.

Noah having put his sheep on the roof of his chicken coop, and calling it a day.