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Splitting of the Moon
#31
RE: Splitting of the Moon
(October 22, 2019 at 4:10 am)The Valkyrie Wrote:
(October 22, 2019 at 3:45 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: Life, consciousness, Universe.

Do you know what those are evidence for?

Life, consciousness, and the universe.

Not for a deity.
They can't exist without a deity
What is evolutionary purpose of subjective experience if p-zombies are just as good at survival as conscious humans?
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#32
RE: Splitting of the Moon
(October 22, 2019 at 4:38 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote:
(October 22, 2019 at 4:10 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: Do you know what those are evidence for?

Life, consciousness, and the universe.

Not for a deity.
They can't exist without a deity

Another empty claim.
Dying to live, living to die.
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#33
RE: Splitting of the Moon
(October 22, 2019 at 5:08 am)The Valkyrie Wrote:
(October 22, 2019 at 4:38 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: They can't exist without a deity

Another empty claim.

I never heard about scientists being able to create artificial life, artificial consciousness or artificial universe.
What is evolutionary purpose of subjective experience if p-zombies are just as good at survival as conscious humans?
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#34
RE: Splitting of the Moon
Which part of biology, specifically..is the part that won't work in the absence of a genie?
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#35
RE: Splitting of the Moon
(October 22, 2019 at 6:46 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote:
(October 22, 2019 at 5:08 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: Another empty claim.

I never heard about scientists being able to create artificial life, artificial consciousness or artificial universe.

We are close to creating artificial life (synthetic biology?)
artificial consciousness is waiting for more development in AI, but no reason my it cannot eventualy be done
artificial universe - what does that even mean?


If a god made the universe (that is everything that exists) where was he before he made it?
The meek shall inherit the Earth, the rest of us will fly to the stars.

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#36
RE: Splitting of the Moon
(October 22, 2019 at 7:19 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote: We are close to creating artificial life (synthetic biology?)
We are close to it for 50 years now.
Quote:artificial consciousness is waiting for more development in AI, but no reason my it cannot eventualy be done
Computer scientists can't create single qualia.
Quote:artificial universe - what does that even mean?
If universe came from nothing, create another universe from nothing. Not necessarily as big as our universe, just couple of stars in it will be enough.
What is evolutionary purpose of subjective experience if p-zombies are just as good at survival as conscious humans?
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#37
RE: Splitting of the Moon
Behold! I split the Moon!

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#38
RE: Splitting of the Moon
(October 22, 2019 at 7:19 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote:
(October 22, 2019 at 6:46 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: I never heard about scientists being able to create artificial life, artificial consciousness or artificial universe.

We are close to creating artificial life (synthetic biology?)
artificial consciousness is waiting for more development in AI, but no reason my it cannot eventualy be done
artificial universe - what does that even mean?


If a god made the universe (that is everything that exists) where was he before he made it?

We are not close to anything, I am a programmer and AI is nothing more than a long chain of human commands -written in programming languages- given to computers, ironically the reality of AI reminds us every single moment that humanity in no more than computers, with imprinted commands already created for them satisfy.

God programmed us, and just like AI exposes that the process of its existence is a mere complex usage of programming languages, reality is also a process but with much, much complex data to process.

I am a programmer, so it's hard to impress me with a talking Tesla car or whatever..it's a mere process, int x = (5500 * 543) * 0 ;

As for your question; you made a mistake: there is no before God
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#39
RE: Splitting of the Moon
I' ll bet " splitting the moon" has a different meaning in gay pickup bars......

Naughty

Or maybe it IS the same.....

There's something to think about, eh?
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#40
RE: Splitting of the Moon
(October 22, 2019 at 3:53 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(October 22, 2019 at 2:37 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: You should read my essay.   It said the moon didn’t split.   It expresses the usual explanation far better than your are capable of understanding it.   But even though it sails right over your head, your reading it will still make a you a better person because you would not be using the time to become worse by reading the Koran.  

And the usual explanation is currently seeing apparently new and contrary evidence.  But even if the usual explanation, when new evidence is fully digested and slotted into their places. Prove to have been wrong, there would absolutely certainly still be infinitely more that is right that went into it,  than there could ever be right in your ridiculous Koran.

I did read it. But sections like the following made me understand your objective from it. For example (and now I'm quoting you):

Quote:Furthermore, they experienced not one, but two off-center collision.   This is necessary to add enough angular momentum to account for the present earth moon system, without adding so much collisional energy in the process that the two bodies would gravitationally dissociate and end up as a debris disk around the sun.    During the initial collision the mantles of the two planets struck, and became severely disrupted, while the cores of the two bodies missed each other and sailed past each other, although the friction of the mantle collision slowed the cores relative to eachother.   Immediately after collision, the larger of the two bodies retained majority of its mantle, while the smaller planet lost majority of its mantle.  Much of the mantle material material lost by both bodies then mixed and formed a debris cloud around the site of the collision.   Note the debris cloud would proportionally have a much higher contribution from the smaller of the two planets than their pre-collision relative mass would suggest.    This is necessary to account for why the present earth retained so much larger inventory of volatile materials than the moon.

What the heck does the existence of two collisions -not one,not half, not even a million- relates to the simple sentence "the hour became near and the moon was cracked"?
Let be cracked -or split- because of one collision; two; five or even 10. How does this relates to the verse, or to my post ?

I don't care about the numbers of collisions. I care about the conclusion of the collisions; i.e a piece of earth cracking becoming what we know as the moon.


Quote: The cores then slowed, stopped and fell back towards each other under their mutural gravities, before they underwent a second collision.  This time they stuck, and the two cores sank through the remaining mantle envelope of the larger of the two bodies towards their new common center of gravity, and eventually merged into a single new core.   While much of the debris cloud from the collision fell back onto the new merged body to form the new mantle, this completed the formation of the new earth.   The key here is the new earth is a substantially different planet from either of the pre-existing bodies that collided, with total newly formed internal structure, made from mix of the materials from the two pre-impact bodies.   Note the moon still didn't exist.   And yet earth would never lose any substantial amount of mass, or split, ever again down to the very present.

You can sum all of this nice talk with the sentence ("The cosmological history of Earth").

Quote:The remaining materials in the debris cloud than formed into a debris disk, the debris disk than likely accreted over hundred to thousands of years into most likely more than 1 moon, well after the new earth has formed.  These multiple moons than likely accreted into eachother to form earth's one single giant moon, note the moon(s) didn't split, the earth didn't split.   Instead moon(s) merged around the earth.  

But aren't these debris can be referred to easily in language as "split/cracked bodies"? I mean their origins are materials from earth and also the cosmos. But the larger chunks came from earth; split/cracked then floated in their own orbits, then merged together. Or in other, simpler (and more summed) words "the hour became near and the moon was cracked/split".

It all began with the earthen debris "splitting/cracking" out towards another orbit..

Quote:So, no, my scientifically ignorant friend, science does not say the moon split.   It also does not say the earth split to form the moon.

No. It did; revise my comment.

Quote:In all versions, the moons merged without ever having split in the first place.   The earth also didn't split to form the moon.   There was really not  an earth to split when the material for the moon arrived at where the moon would later form. 


You mean the moon is connected to earth; and it is a part of it?
Damn; I knew NASA lied all along..also earth is flat.

Quote:Instead of wasting you life reading the koran and racking your brains to justify the unjustifiable,  try to actually gain enriching understanding of the subtle essences of science, instead of trying to hijack gross caricatures if science for use in your lamentable effort to justify the unjustifiable. 

No, I was so gifted having the Quran as my book. First of all it taught me that humans are the same creatures, it taught me to hate racist, it taught me to never treat the poor bad, it taught me to respect women, it taught me to respect animals (that's why I talk to them), it taught me to respect your choice even if you choose a different religion than mine.


ROFLOL
desperate, aren't we?
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