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Splitting of the Moon
#41
RE: Splitting of the Moon
(October 22, 2019 at 11:09 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: ROFLOL
desperate, aren't we?
He's pretending to be an ignorant camel jockey sitting around a dung fire in the desert and blindly accepting what the shaman tells him is The Truth. No thinking required. Read
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#42
RE: Splitting of the Moon
(October 22, 2019 at 6:46 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote:
(October 22, 2019 at 5:08 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: Another empty claim.

I never heard about scientists being able to create artificial life, artificial consciousness or artificial universe.

The first has been done.

The latter is being worked on.

Never heard of a deity that could prove its existence.
Dying to live, living to die.
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#43
RE: Splitting of the Moon
(October 22, 2019 at 7:56 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote:
(October 22, 2019 at 7:19 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote: We are close to creating artificial life (synthetic biology?)
We are close to it for 50 years now.
Quote:artificial consciousness is waiting for more development in AI, but no reason my it cannot eventualy be done
Computer scientists can't create single qualia.
Quote:artificial universe - what does that even mean?
If universe came from nothing, create another universe from nothing. Not necessarily as big as our universe, just couple of stars in it will be enough.


How does the fact the scientists are unable (yet) to create life, consciousness, or a universe, give any credence that a god is responsible for these things?

Even if humans are never able to do these things, this does not, in any way, provide any evidence that a god is responsible.

Your claim has its own burden of proof, that is in no way made stronger by scientists inability to do something.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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#44
RE: Splitting of the Moon
They have the classic argument from ignorance, “I don’t understand how therefore god!”
Dying to live, living to die.
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#45
RE: Splitting of the Moon
(October 22, 2019 at 12:24 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: They have the classic argument from ignorance, “I don’t understand how therefore god!”

It's arrogance. "I don't understand what you say about this, but my god has told me the real facts!"
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#46
RE: Splitting of the Moon
(October 22, 2019 at 12:26 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:
(October 22, 2019 at 12:24 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: They have the classic argument from ignorance, “I don’t understand how therefore god!”

It's arrogance. "I don't understand what you say about this, but my god has told me the real facts!"


Yeah. “It says so in my contradictory book of myths so it must be true.”
Dying to live, living to die.
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#47
RE: Splitting of the Moon
(October 22, 2019 at 12:30 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:
(October 22, 2019 at 12:26 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: It's arrogance. "I don't understand what you say about this, but my god has told me the real facts!"


Yeah.  “It says so in my contradictory book of myths so it must be true.”
"Information transmitted to me in a book of selectively chosen and ... carefully ... translated stories that were largely selectively chosen and ... carefully ... translated stories taken from oral tradition must be scientifically more accurate than that LHC thing in, where is it, Swaziland?"
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#48
RE: Splitting of the Moon
What is more jarring to me is the need these folks have to push their rather silly beliefs onto others. If anything it demonstrates a great insecurity, a desire to be an authority in myths. It shows how much of a failure in every aspect of reality they become.
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#49
RE: Splitting of the Moon
(October 22, 2019 at 12:39 pm)LastPoet Wrote: What is more jarring to me is the need these folks have to push their rather silly beliefs onto others. If anything it demonstrates a great insecurity, a desire to be an authority in myths. It shows how much of a failure in every aspect of reality they become.
They say "We're doing those people a favor!"

I say "You're working to collect Heaven Points!"
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#50
RE: Splitting of the Moon
(October 21, 2019 at 9:11 pm)Dmitry1983 Wrote:
(October 21, 2019 at 12:45 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: God is an incompetent

God did create perfect world. It's called Heaven.

Of course all the following questions are stated for arguments sake only, since I disbelieve that any afterlife exists.

Is there free will in Heaven?

If so, then people are still free to act immorally in Heaven, and therefore, it is not a perfect world.

If people are unable to act immoral in Heaven, then there is no free will in Heaven, and therefore, it is not a perfect world.

If god is able to create a perfect world, like heaven, then why didn't he just do it here on earth?

Or, why didn't he just create Heaven, with the souls of those he wanted to spend eternity with in the first place?

Instead, what he did, is create the entire universe to be nothing more than a 'soul filtering machine', just to weed out those souls that he didn't want to have in Heaven in the first place. But doesn't everything happen according to god's plan? So, he knew ahead of time, which souls would end up in heaven, and which wouldn't. So, in other words, he purposely created billions upon billions of souls, knowing ahead of time which ones would be rewarded be going to heaven, and which ones would't.

What an inept deity.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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