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Splitting of the Moon
#61
RE: Splitting of the Moon
(October 22, 2019 at 8:29 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Behold! I split the Moon!

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Those moons were apparently split by lucifer's hemorrhoids
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#62
RE: Splitting of the Moon
(October 23, 2019 at 2:34 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(October 22, 2019 at 12:07 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: How does the fact the scientists are unable (yet) to create life, consciousness, or a universe, give any credence that a god is responsible for these things?

Because the process of consciousness is not even defined yet as a scientific process, the creation of life is very limited and finite; as for God being responsible: he is the deity we theists believe responsible for the haunting pattern that keeps showing in everything we discover.

Or; in other words: he is the one behind science.

When I asked the above question you responded to, I was hoping for something besides more fallacious arguments.

You entire response here is nothing but an argument from ignorance and god of the gaps.

"Since X is currently unexplained by science, I'll just cram my god into the gap in scientific knowledge". What you are doing is no different than theists hundreds or thousands of years ago, attributing: lightning, disease, earthquakes, floods, etc, etc, so some god or another.

Now they are explained as natural phenomena, no gods needed.

YOu are doing the exact same thing, with consciousness, as our ancestors did with lightning.

Quote:Or; in other words: he is the one behind science.

Please support this claim with demonstrable evidence, reasoned argument, and valid and sound logic.

Please, no more fallacious arguments.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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#63
RE: Splitting of the Moon
(October 23, 2019 at 4:58 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:
(October 22, 2019 at 8:29 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Behold! I split the Moon!

[Image: SCh6VYO.gif]


Those moons were apparently split by lucifer's hemorrhoids
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#64
RE: Splitting of the Moon
(October 23, 2019 at 2:34 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(October 23, 2019 at 2:07 am)Nomad Wrote: Atlas why are you so insistent on changing the meaning of the quran?  I mean it's supposed to be the perfect document, yet you are insisting that the "moon split" legend is about how the moon formed rather than a story about the moon splitting down the middle on the orders of Mohammed to convert pagans, which is what the book's (9th century) writers clearly meant.

I only believe in the Quran; stories claimed in Hadith books don't represent me or my belief.

But you are bastardising the meaning of one of the suras (specifically no 54) of your beloved quran. Isn't that against allah's law?
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#65
RE: Splitting of the Moon
If you're trying to be a serious believer in a serious magic book..why twist yourself into knots when a serious answer that doesn't amount to calling magic book a liar already exists? Splitting the moon is allegory for divine supremacy .

Taking a page from christian magic book.....the local moon worshippers needed a miracle to abandon their old ways of life and follow a new one. Thus, the magic man..in magic book..split a magic moon. The story in question is and always has been a regionally thematic element of an establishment legend.

The idiocy of literal interpretation was sold by people whose claim to political authority was proximity to the magic man. The unseriousness on display in this thread is worse, proceeding from the original medieval bit and then doubling down with something even sillier. It's impressive.
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#66
RE: Splitting of the Moon
(October 23, 2019 at 5:11 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:
(October 23, 2019 at 2:34 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Because the process of consciousness is not even defined yet as a scientific process, the creation of life is very limited and finite; as for God being responsible: he is the deity we theists believe responsible for the haunting pattern that keeps showing in everything we discover.

Or; in other words: he is the one behind science.

When I asked the above question you responded to, I was hoping for something besides more fallacious arguments.

You entire response here is nothing but an argument from ignorance and god of the gaps.

"Since X is currently unexplained by science, I'll just cram my god into the gap in scientific knowledge". What you are doing is no different than theists hundreds or thousands of years ago, attributing: lightning, disease, earthquakes, floods, etc, etc, so some god or another.

Now they are explained as natural phenomena, no gods needed.

YOu are doing the exact same thing, with consciousness, as our ancestors did with lightning.

Quote:Or; in other words: he is the one behind science.

Please support this claim with demonstrable evidence, reasoned argument, and valid and sound logic.

Please, no more fallacious arguments.

The pattern. Meaning is: there is a common pattern that is identical in definition to "fingerprint" that allows us to identify it and understand it; the scope we use is "science"; at the same time if these fingerprints didn't exist; then there would be no science. I tend to believe that a being is responsible for them, to teach us something; perhaps?
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#67
RE: Splitting of the Moon
Yeah, like how to babble less.
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#68
RE: Splitting of the Moon
The debris and pieces of the "cracked/split" from an unknown object -earth- are "the moon" even if they not yet born.
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#69
RE: Splitting of the Moon
(October 24, 2019 at 5:15 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: The debris and pieces of the "cracked/split" from an unknown object -earth- are "the moon" even if they not yet born.

Right, in much the same way you are "the worms" even if you are not yet dead and had become sustenance for the worms.   We should just refer to you as "the worms".
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#70
RE: Splitting of the Moon
I think the splitting of the moon can make sense in a way.

It sounds to me like some level ones then became level threes:

The moon was split into two pieces while we were with the prophet in Mina. He said "Be witnesses" then a piece of the moon went towards the mountain.
Book 58 Hadith 209.
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