Islam slave trade

[EgoDeath]

Yes. When the motive of your criticism is not xenophobic

Where is anyone here being xenophobic?

[Deesse23]

Mamluks didnt save the world, they saved their own asses. At the time of Ain Jalut, Hulegu had to pull out most Mogol troops and left only one tumen in syria. This was due to the fact that his brother Möngke died and succession had to be sorted out. If Hulegu didnt have to do this, the Mamluks would have been steamrolled. The very same situation saved europe after the crushing defeat of polish and hungarian knights somw 20y earlier.

Yes; they did. They defeated the mongols and ended their rein of terror.

You stubbornly repeating a lie doesnt make it true. Whishful thinking doesnt work, as well as stomping your feet, but who am i talking to? A man who has an invisible friend.
So, how did the Mamluks achieve anything else than to stop the mongol expansion into Egypt?
How comes the mongol empire increased in size for 30 more years and existed for more than 100 more years, before it collapsed due to internal subdivision, because it became too big?
Did or did not Hulegu take most mongol troops with him (iirc 4/5 tumens) before the battle, so that the mamluks fought only 20% of the mongol troops originally assigned to conquer the Levant and Egypt? What happened between Baibars and Qutuz after Ain Jalut, please tell us? Who was Qutuz´slave master? A christian, or a muslim mamluk himself? Wow, the muslim mamluks slave kings who had muslim mamluk slaves?! Shocking!  Who was Baibars´ slave master? A christian or an muslim Ayyubid emir? Wow, Ayyubids, also muslims having muslim slaves.

You of all people saying this is quite...........fascinating, isnt it?
So, whom did the muslim Abbasids enslave?
Did the arab slave trade under muslim rule exist or not?
Did muslims during the barbary slave trade enslave christians?
Did muslims enslave and indoctrinate kids to become Janissaries, made fanatics out of them, and still forbade them to have families so that they would be loyal to their corps?

You didnt really expect your disgusting lies and propaganda to remain unanswered, did you?

I don't know..
TBH Christians of Europe made a lot of people angry..

You dont know? How comes? You seem to know everythng else.

Did the arab slave trade happen because christians made muslims angry? Is that what you are trying to say?
Was the barbary slave trade a result of angry muslims, muslims being angry due to christians?
Dit the Abbasids practice slavery?
Did the Mamluks?
Did the Ottomans?
Did the muslims in Africa?

Poor little muslims, were made angry by evil europeans. Thats why its the europeans being responsible for all the muslims did, even within themselves. Want a tissue? What a spineless, little, dickless maggot you are. Grow some balls and take some responsibility and own whats yours in history and what you have chosen to base your own principles on (muslim religion and culture). I am a product of european, christian culture, and i am able to admit its wrong doings. Why cant you? What makes you so special that we should absolve you and Islam of for all its atrocities? You know why, its because you still dont want to throw off the shackles of your vile religion. And so you keep rotting...

You are a bigot. You dislike christians, and try to put the blame on them for everything that went wrong in your muslim neighbourhood, even if they ab-so-fucking-lutely had nothing to do with it. And Why? Because you are a muslim, because, like so many of the religious, you need to apologize for the cruelty and voilence of your religion rather than to think for yourself. An insight that you fanatically try to avoid is to decide that islam is just another religion that, while it did good things, it also is responsible for just as many horrors. Thats the protective mechanism that religion has installed in your mind, thats how you have allowed your religion to enslave you. Its almost comical in a very tragic way that a slave to religion like you tries to stick his fingers in his ears, go "lalala" and blame everything on anyone else, particularly on another religion, thats neither worse nor better than you own, but just as wrong. Its bitter irony that a slave to the religion of islam is trying to whitewash his "master" by claiming it didnt allow for slavery. Religion enslaves minds, and Islam enslaved people, all the time, everywhere. Its almost shakespearean watching you ravel in the filth of your twists and turns.

You mentioned decency earlier. Its time for you to look in the mirror and start to be honest to yourself. Are you really willing to throw away your entire life and your humanity, your integrity, for such a disgusting idea like Islam? Lying for Allah is still lying. Are lies and willful ignorance going to be your legacy to the world and humanity once your are rotting in your grave?

What a waste of time and effort you are.


P.S.: You promised to apologize if shown (by me) that the history of Islam is NOT distorted or ignored in western media. I provided evidence, multiple ones, at the same day. Your lack of repsonse and integrity is duly noted.

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Yes. When the motive of your criticism is not xenophobic

Where is anyone here being xenophobic?

AtlasS33, when blaming mongols, europeans and christians for everything that went bad in history, particularly the arab and muslim one.

[EgoDeath]

AtlasS33, when blaming mongols, europeans and christians for everything that went bad in history, particularly the arab and muslim one.

Yeah, how funny. Then says that 9/11 basically isn't worth talking about because only 2997 people died. LMAO.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

"What kicked off the big bang?" LOL, little meat sacks are unlikely to know, ever. But we don't fall back on our imaginary friend for a pseudo-explanation.

[EgoDeath]

"What kicked off the big bang?" LOL, little meat sacks are unlikely to know, ever. But we don't fall back on our imaginary friend for a pseudo-explanation.

What kicked off the big bang?!?!? Neener neener neener silly atheist.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

"What kicked off the big bang?" LOL, little meat sacks are unlikely to know, ever. But we don't fall back on our imaginary friend for a pseudo-explanation.

What kicked off the big bang?!?!? Neener neener neener silly atheist.

Sorry, I forgot to check the script they've provided. Let me try again.

"Gee, I don't know. Maybe it was a miracle?"

I'll try to do better in the future.

[EgoDeath]

What kicked off the big bang?!?!? Neener neener neener silly atheist.

Sorry, I forgot to check the script they've provided. Let me try again.

"Gee, I don't know. Maybe it was a miracle?"

I'll try to do better in the future.

Just pray to find an answer.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Sorry, I forgot to check the script they've provided. Let me try again.

"Gee, I don't know. Maybe it was a miracle?"

I'll try to do better in the future.

Just pray to find an answer.

OUR LARD, WHO ART IN BACON...

Sorry, forgot the rest.

[EgoDeath]

Just pray to find an answer.

OUR LARD, WHO ART IN BACON...

Sorry, forgot the rest.

Our Lard, who art in bacon,
Hallowed be thy grease,
Your pancakes come,
Your eggs are done,
In grease as it is with bacon, 
Give us this day some toasted bread,
And forgive us for our spilled juice,
As we forgive those who spilled juice upon us, 
And lead us not into overeating, but deliver us the hashbrowns,
For the bacon, and eggs, and taters are yours forever and ever
Amen

It's been a couple years since Catholic school but I'm pretty sure that's how it goes.

[Athene]

All the slaves sold to Europeans on the West African coast were the prisoners of Africans.

Untrue.
Europeans (primarily the Portuguese, British, and Dutch) did conduct slave raids along the West African coast; Especially in the early phases of the of the TST.

In regards to the captives who were sold to slavers by African middlemen--Africans did not subscribe to  the notion of a homogeneous "African" or "Black" ethnicity--No reason why they would considering the sheer amount of ethnicity/genetic diversity among people living on the continent. That's a box Eurocentrists invented and tossed them all of them in.

Worth noting, when running with the "they sold themselves" narrative. For the most part, leaders and merchants were selling and trading captives/POWs they regarded as foreign; Not subjects of their own tribes/kingdoms.