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Islam slave trade
#41
RE: Islam slave trade
(October 27, 2019 at 11:15 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(October 27, 2019 at 10:02 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: You left out Oceania.  Don't you care about those people?

Boru

Australia and NZ -aka Oceania- are indeed included in continents that was hit by the bloody raids  Europe launched against the world.

Then why didn't you say so?  You specified Africa and the Americas.  By leaving out Oceania, you give the impression that this area was free from the impact of European expansion, or that you just don't care very much about it.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#42
RE: Islam slave trade
(October 27, 2019 at 10:31 am)Deesse23 Wrote:
(October 27, 2019 at 10:02 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: You left out Oceania.  Don't you care about those people?

Boru

Dont forget the arctic and how they are slaughtering seals. I am not even talking about penguins, poor little penguins!
And then they went to the Moon, and i bet if here would have been any people these white basterds would have enslaved them too, just like all the brown people, the kinda brown Atlas is of course, the other browns only count half.

Well, the seal-culling can be subsumed under 'Africa'. Namibia slaughters about 90 000 seals every year (I think that's the number).

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#43
RE: Islam slave trade
(October 27, 2019 at 10:34 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: The Japanese tried to develop the atomic bomb, as did the Germans. If the IJN had the atomic bomb on Dec. 7th, 1941, they would have used it at Pearl Harbor.

Documents of the US army indicate that actually my hometown was originally targeted for usage of the first nuke. Its hardly a "white people vs ..." thing when the US, a nation that has some 30% german heritage tries to nuke a city in Germany. Not that an ignoramus like the bigoted little brown racist would care about facts.

(October 27, 2019 at 12:16 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(October 27, 2019 at 10:31 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Dont forget the arctic and how they are slaughtering seals. I am not even talking about penguins, poor little penguins!
And then they went to the Moon, and i bet if here would have been any people these white basterds would have enslaved them too, just like all the brown people, the kinda brown Atlas is of course, the other browns only count half.

Well, the seal-culling can be subsumed under 'Africa'. Namibia slaughters about 90 000 seals every year (I think that's the number).

Boru

Namibia is almost 90% christian, so there is no reason to try and blame someone else for it. Naughty
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse
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#44
RE: Islam slave trade
(October 27, 2019 at 12:12 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(October 27, 2019 at 11:15 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Australia and NZ -aka Oceania- are indeed included in continents that was hit by the bloody raids  Europe launched against the world.

Then why didn't you say so?  You specified Africa and the Americas.  By leaving out Oceania, you give the impression that this area was free from the impact of European expansion, or that you just don't care very much about it.

Boru

I didn't read the details in this article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_o...us_peoples

Quote:In places like the United States, Australia, New Zealand, Canada settler colonialism was carried out by the British. Foreign land viewed as attractive for settlement was declared as terra nullius or "nobody's land". The indigenous inhabitants were therefore denied any sovereignty or property rights in the eyes of the British.[149] This justified invasion and the violent seizure of native land to create colonies populated by British settlers. Colonization like this usually caused a large decrease in the indigenous population from war, newly introduced diseases, massacre by colonists and attempts at forced assimilation.
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#45
RE: Islam slave trade
Oh, look who can copy pasta.
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#46
RE: Islam slave trade
(October 27, 2019 at 3:10 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(October 27, 2019 at 12:12 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Then why didn't you say so?  You specified Africa and the Americas.  By leaving out Oceania, you give the impression that this area was free from the impact of European expansion, or that you just don't care very much about it.

Boru

I didn't read the details in this article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_o...us_peoples

Quote:In places like the United States, Australia, New Zealand, Canada settler colonialism was carried out by the British. Foreign land viewed as attractive for settlement was declared as terra nullius or "nobody's land". The indigenous inhabitants were therefore denied any sovereignty or property rights in the eyes of the British.[149] This justified invasion and the violent seizure of native land to create colonies populated by British settlers. Colonization like this usually caused a large decrease in the indigenous population from war, newly introduced diseases, massacre by colonists and attempts at forced assimilation.

And yet Oceania was almost completely devoid of Muslims at the time.  Funny, that.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#47
RE: Islam slave trade
(October 27, 2019 at 8:53 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(October 27, 2019 at 6:49 am)Athene Wrote: Untrue.
Europeans (primarily the Portuguese, British, and Dutch) did conduct slave raids along the West African coast; Especially in the early phases of the of the TST.

In regards to the captives who were sold to slavers by African middlemen--Africans did not subscribe to  the notion of a homogeneous "African" or "Black" ethnicity--No reason why they would considering the sheer amount of ethnicity/genetic diversity among people living on the continent. That's a box Eurocentrists invented and tossed them all of them in.

Worth noting, when running with the "they sold themselves" narrative. For the most part, leaders and merchants were selling and trading captives/POWs they regarded as foreign; Not subjects of their own tribes/kingdoms.

The "they sold themselves" narrative is used to mask one's own acts; or Tu Quoque argument:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

One of the arts of bellydancing in debates and discussion; like saying "why care about African slaves? they brought slavery upon themselves"; very unethical if you think about it.

Interestingly enough, I have yet to see anyone suggest that the white victims of the Barbary slave trade "brought slavery upon of themselves"--Despite the fact that Barbary pirates couldn't have waged nearly as successful a campaign without the expertise of English and Dutch privateer captains who elected to become corsairs. 

But I presume that's because it's perfectly reasonable to expect that European subjects would have had their share of betrayal and opportunists among their ranks, right? Of course?
Of course. [Image: wink.gif]

Not Africans, though. Oh, no.
That was different...lol

Point blank: The narrative “Africans did it to themselves!” is nothing but a regurgitation of centuries-old Eurocentrist rhetoric aimed to mobilize public opinion against Africans and justify oppression of them--as were the false narratives that Africans barely resisted the European slave trade, and that no African civilizations existed pre-colonization and the continent was populated with but nothing mindless, amoral, black savages.
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#48
RE: Islam slave trade
Bullshit. The facts may be awkward, but they tend to be that way when examined.

And, IIRC, one of the "children's crusades" wound up with a whole bunch of European orphans being sold in the markes of the Levant.
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#49
RE: Islam slave trade
Oh, look...
GZ's all indignant and outraged at the mere thought of his despicably shitty line of thinking being applied to folks who happen to look like him.

What a great guy.
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#50
RE: Islam slave trade
(October 27, 2019 at 8:30 pm)Athene Wrote:
(October 27, 2019 at 8:53 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:

The "they sold themselves" narrative is used to mask one's own acts; or Tu Quoque argument:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

One of the arts of bellydancing in debates and discussion; like saying "why care about African slaves? they brought slavery upon themselves"; very unethical if you think about it.

Interestingly enough, I have yet to see anyone suggest that the white victims of the Barbary slave trade "brought slavery upon of themselves"--Despite the fact that Barbary pirates couldn't have waged nearly as successful a campaign without the expertise of English and Dutch privateer captains who elected to become corsairs. 

But I presume that's because it's perfectly reasonable to expect that European subjects would have had their share of betrayal and opportunists among their ranks, right? Of course?
Of course. [Image: wink.gif]

Not Africans, though. Oh, no.
That was different...lol

Point blank: The narrative “Africans did it to themselves!” is nothing but a regurgitation of centuries-old Eurocentrist rhetoric aimed to mobilize public opinion against Africans and justify oppression of them--as were the false narratives that Africans barely resisted the European slave trade, and that no African civilizations existed pre-colonization and the continent was populated with but nothing mindless, amoral, black savages.

TBH; denying the hell white governments brought upon humanity is a proof of a lost cause; the lost cause is the person arguing though, not the historical, precious narrative.

Let's quickly recall the disasters European brought upon humanity:
-atomic bombs
-enslaving Africans and turning black people to lesser humans until today
-literally killing the natives of both Americas
-Waging two World Wars and cutting the borders of people like a piece of candy

It doesn't mean we are racists as some ignorant people try to picture us. We are simply readers of history.
The same unfair excuse is used to justify the western crimes in the Middle East today; white colonists would always say:
-Muslims are crazy
-Muslims brought it upon themselves
-Muslims are mad

History repeats itself; or should I say humans are pretty finite?

When imperialists and colonists stay out; the earth prospers.

(October 27, 2019 at 8:33 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Bullshit. The facts may be awkward, but they tend to be that way when examined.

And, IIRC, one of the "children's crusades"  wound up with a whole bunch of European orphans being sold in the markes of the Levant.

Crusaders were cannibal, savage horde.
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