Islam slave trade

[Dmitry1983]

Let's quickly recall the disasters European brought upon humanity:
-atomic bombs

Europeans simply had strongest economy that helped building nukes. Japanese also had nuclear program.

-enslaving Africans and turning black people to lesser humans until today

Slavery is sanctioned by the bible.

-literally killing the natives of both Americas

Afaik most natives died from deceases.

Crusaders were cannibal, savage horde.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Oh, look...
GZ's all indignant and outraged at the mere thought of his despicably shitty line of thinking being applied to folks who happen to look like him.

What a great guy.

If you don't like the facts you can always take the river up to Aswan.

[WinterHold]

Let's quickly recall the disasters European brought upon humanity:
-atomic bombs

Europeans simply had strongest economy that helped building nukes. Japanese also had nuclear program.

Yes; economies that grew so fat after robbing America, Africa and the whole world out of gold , massacring native life if possible.

 Slavery is sanctioned by the bible

I don't care.

Afaik most natives died from deceases.

The natives of America were killed.

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The last crusade ended when Palestine was taken by The British empire; as these old history suggests:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jerusalem

Some British newspapers and magazines, including The Irish News, claimed it as the end of the crusades.[148]

Your map needs updating to include America, Oceania, Africa and....Yes; Japan.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I don't think anyone here is trying to excuse or justify the slave trade (except possibly Dmitry, who is either a troll or an idiot or a bit of both), but instead are trying to point out that ANY individuals involved in the trafficking of human beings are not very nice people.  That Europeans destroyed untold numbers of human lives through the slave trade is clearly beyond dispute, but this doesn't give those Africans and Levantines (or anyone else) who did the same thing a pass, simply because they did less of it, or did it slightly differently.

Boru

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I don't think anyone here is trying to excuse or justify the slave trade (except possibly Dmitry, who is either a troll or an idiot or a bit of both), but instead are trying to point out that ANY individuals involved in the trafficking of human beings are not very nice people.  That Europeans destroyed untold numbers of human lives through the slave trade is clearly beyond dispute, but this doesn't give those Africans and Levantines (or anyone else) who did the same thing a pass, simply because they did less of it, or did it slightly differently.

Boru

Well spotted. It's rather like cannibalism, there's evidence for it in all cultures. Time Team showed examples in Cornwall, for instance.

[Deesse23]

Crusaders were cannibal, savage horde.

I see you are still stomping your feet like a little kid. Did somone take away your toy ( = refuted your BS claims)?

Just a quick reminder:
Was there slavery under the Abbasids?
Did the Mamluks have slaves?
Did muslims enslave non muslims en masse in the barbary trade?
Did the Ottomans have slaves?
Did muslims enslave muslims and non muslims alike en masse during the arab slave trade around and across the indian ocean?
Didnt all muslim empires and all the reigning dynasties have slaves at all times in history?
Did muslims invade Spain and utterly destroy visigoth culture?
Did muslims destroy the Byzantine empire and its culture?
Did muslims destoy the Sassanid empire, its religion and culture?
What business had Abd ar-Rahman at Tours and Poitiers?
etc.
pp.

And no, this is not a tu quoque fallacy. I am not disputing that you can criticize crusaders for doing bad things, or that conquistadores did. I am just pointing out your hypocrisy of igonoring anything bad muslims did, and blaming anyone else for what you cant refute or ignore they did.

In other words:
#1 Yes lots of christian slavery
#2 Slavery is bad
#3 Were muslims involed just as knee deep in slavery?
#4 Fuck, yes! If not more!
#5 Does that make them any better or not (than christians)?
#6 No
#7 Does that make someone like you, trying to whitewash #3, ignore or blatantly lie about it a bigot and hypocrite?
#8 Fuk, yes


Oh, and you are a racist for blaming "white people" for ...whatever, because "white people" as a whole body of population have nothing more in common than a certain lack of melanin.


You are a hypocrite on behalf of all of Islam:   Thereby insulting all those muslims who do not lie and mischaracterize its history unlike you.

Hypocrisy is the contrivance of a false appearance of virtue or goodness, while concealing real character or inclinations, especially with respect to religious and moral beliefs


Hypocrisy is the practice of engaging in the same behavior or activity for which one criticizes another. In moral psychology, it is the failure to follow one's own expressed moral rules and principles


In Islam, hypocrisy is a serious sickness. The Qur'an rails against those who claim to be believers and peacemakers, thinking they are fooling God and others, but only fool themselves.

You are seriously "sick". You better look for help or say goodbye to the 72 virgins i guess.
No need to thank me for pointing your sickness out. I am just glad to help anywhere i can. You are welcome.  

[WinterHold]

Crusaders were cannibal, savage horde.

I see you are still stomping your feet like a little kid. Did somone take away your toy ( = refuted your BS claims)?

Just a quick reminder:
Wa...

Tu quoque argument detected:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

Tu quoque (/tjuːˈkwoʊkwi, tuːˈkwoʊkweɪ/;[1] Latin for "you also"), or the appeal to hypocrisy, is a fallacy that intends to discredit the opponent's argument by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with its conclusion(s). The Oxford English Dictionary cites John Cooke's 1614 stage play, The Cittie Gallant, as the earliest use of the term in the English language.[1]

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque#cite_note-OED-1][/url]

[The Grand Nudger]

Pointing out that you're a silly hypocrite, and insisting that your argument is wrong because you're a silly hypocrite aren't the same thing.

One is just an insult..and, fact check, true. The other would be a fallacy.

The nature of empire is brutality. It doesn't matter who's empire, or what god sanctioned it, lol. The ummah was a scourge on humanity in precisely the same way and for precisely the same reasons as the feudal apparatus leveraged toward conquest of the "holy" land. Two squabbling bunches of assholes fighting over pixie kissed dirt.

[Fake Messiah]

The bottom line is when faced with historical facts about Islam and slavery, AtlasS33 is desperately trying to change the subject into what ever comes to his mind: atom bombs, ww1, crusades, 9/11, etcetera.

[Deesse23]

Well we got him cornered, and he is stuck like a broken record:

crusaders were cannibals!
Tu quoque!
rinse and repeat.

So, Atlas which part of

In other words:
#1 Yes lots of christian slavery
#2 Slavery is bad
#3 Were muslims involed just as knee deep in slavery?
#4 Fuck, yes! If not more!
#5 Does that make them any better or not (than christians)?
#6 No
#7 Does that make someone like you, trying to whitewash #3, ignore or blatantly lie about it a bigot and hypocrite?
#8 Fuk, yes

did you not understand? Need further explanation?

He has stopped to reply to the topic of slavery, which is the actual topic of the fucking thread. Why no retorts Atlas? Please tell us how muslims never enslaved anyone, or how its others peoples´fault if they did.

Well just for fun, lets remind him of some homework he needs to do.
Was there slavery under the Abbasids?
Did the Mamluks have slaves?
Did muslims enslave non muslims en masse in the barbary trade?
Did the Ottomans have slaves?
Did muslims enslave muslims and non muslims alike en masse during the arab slave trade around and across the indian ocean?
Didnt all muslim empires and all the reigning dynasties have slaves at all times in history?
Did muslims invade Spain and utterly destroy visigoth culture?
Did muslims destroy the Byzantine empire and its culture?
Did muslims destoy the Sassanid empire, its religion and culture?
What business had Abd ar-Rahman at Tours and Poitiers?
etc.
pp.

got anything factual to say, or want to keep up the deafening silence?

What a fucking hypocritcal, lying, bigoted, racist whining little bitch. What an colossal piece of shit he is. Allah will not be amused. Aaaaand the virgins will go to ..........