Islam slave trade

[Nay_Sayer]

@AtlasS33

So are we allowed to criticize Islam without being called xenophobes?

Yes. When the motive of your criticism is not xenophobic

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Mamluks didnt save the world, they saved their own asses. At the time of Ain Jalut, Hulegu had to pull out most Mogol troops and left only one tumen in syria. This was due to the fact that his brother Möngke died and succession had to be sorted out. If Hulegu didnt have to do this, the Mamluks would have been steamrolled. The very same situation saved europe after the crushing defeat of polish and hungarian knights somw 20y earlier.

Yes; they did. They defeated the mongols and ended their rein of terror.

You of all people saying this is quite...........fascinating, isnt it?
So, whom did the muslim Abbasids enslave?
Did the arab slave trade under muslim rule exist or not?
Did muslims during the barbary slave trade enslave christians?
Did muslims enslave and indoctrinate kids to become Janissaries, made fanatics out of them, and still forbade them to have families so that they would be loyal to their corps?

You didnt really expect your disgusting lies and propaganda to remain unanswered, did you?

I don't know..
TBH Christians of Europe made a lot of people angry..

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Don't see why not.  We can criticize Islam for being a bog standard religion without criticizing Muslims.  We can criticize Muslims for the stupid things they do in the name of their religion.

In this respect, Islam is nothing special.

Boru

Criticize. But always stay true to yourself and ask yourself: what kicked off the big bang?

FSM. Got a hard question?

[Athene]

LMFAO..If you're going to not-so-cleverly suggest that I "Go back to Africa", the least you could exercise is due diligence and ask where my ancestors hailed from.

So allow me to assist--
Cameroon. I'm Tikar, bitch.

Now try again. 

No, I was suggesting you go up De Nile.

Yeah....sure, Slick. That's what you meant.
No doubt.

Thing of it is, we both know that I'm not the one who's actually in denial here. I'm simply exposing your racist double standard and lack of empathy for people who don't share your phenotype.
When informed of the extensive role white Europeans played in the capturing and selling of other white Europeans to Muslim captors, all you had to offer was some gruff and grizzled emotional appeal that was something along the line of: "Bah...Bullshit! And, btw...some of those poor European captives were children!"

YOU'RE in denial and obviously full of shit because the history of renegade privateers making themselves tremendously rich off of "White Gold" is fairly well-known. Hell, fucking Hollywood based Pirates of the Caribbean's Captain Jack Sparrow off of one of the most infamous ones--Barbary corsair (and Englishman) Jack Ward. As a matter of fact, one of the most notorious Barbary raids, the Sack of Baltimore, was led by a Dutch captain. Jan Janszoon and his crew...which included a substantial number of Dutch recruits...carried out the raid in the dead of night and ambushed 107 villagers as they lay sleeping their beds. And Anglo-Barbary Piracy is certainly a well-documented matter of historical fact and clearly shows that Protestants collaborated with Turkish against Catholic Europe.

So, tell me...Is it now your opinion that enslaved Europeans essentially "did it to themselves" and shared just as much, or perhaps even more blame than the oppressors who actually enslaved them?
Or is that a stance you only see fit to take when it comes to dark, African types?

Oh, wait....Never mind.
I already know the answer. LOL

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Whatever makes you happy, love.

[Athene]

Putting it in your face is enough for me, thanks. 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I'm glad you achieved something today, then. :hugs:

[Athene]

[WinterHold]

No. But it is:
1-The reforming and mutation dictators and warlord add to Islam in Arabia to stay in power.
2-Islam liberated Arabs before; did you see what they built in Andalus -Spain- ?

Yes, so much easier was to kick your Allah pieces of shit out of the Peninsula, after your "great people" invaded us. If there were anything that allied the peninsula, was the war mongering pieces of shit that you were and still are. You tried to end the celtiberians, you got your arses kicked beyond all recognition. The arab people was poisoned by your religion, their warmongering. Why else would you invade the iberian peninsula? Andalusia was there way before you towel heads tried to conquer what was not yours to begin with, same with the romans.

Yours is a religion made to cater for war. Unfortunately to you, the "west" become proficient in science enough to put you towel heads in your rightfull place, a desert going, child molesting pieces of shit, bigots, that you are.

We have decent muslims in Portugal, we live in peace. You are just a wannabe jihadist.

Some of you Europeans are hilarious. You wage wars since the times of the Romans in the Middle East, Macedon and Alexander too; Europe caused the region quite a headache, bringing blood and death in every era.

Then; you criticize a civilization that housed Jews and extended its hand to Europe? your ancestors did this to kick Muslims out of Andalus:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_con...s_in_Spain

Even Jews got butchered:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition

So, what were you saying ??

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Yes, so much easier was to kick your Allah pieces of shit out of the Peninsula, after your "great people" invaded us. If there were anything that allied the peninsula, was the war mongering pieces of shit that you were and still are. You tried to end the celtiberians, you got your arses kicked beyond all recognition. The arab people was poisoned by your religion, their warmongering. Why else would you invade the iberian peninsula? Andalusia was there way before you towel heads tried to conquer what was not yours to begin with, same with the romans.

Yours is a religion made to cater for war. Unfortunately to you, the "west" become proficient in science enough to put you towel heads in your rightfull place, a desert going, child molesting pieces of shit, bigots, that you are.

We have decent muslims in Portugal, we live in peace. You are just a wannabe jihadist.

Some of you Europeans are hilarious. You wage wars since the times of the Romans in the Middle East, Macedon and Alexander too; Europe caused the region quite a headache, bringing blood and death in every era.

Then; you criticize a civilization that housed Jews and extended its hand to Europe? your ancestors did this to kick Muslims out of Andalus:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_con...s_in_Spain

Even Jews got butchered:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition

So, what were you saying ??

We're saying that Europeans don't have a monopoly on cruel, foul behaviour.  Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

Boru

[Dmitry1983]

Some of you Europeans are hilarious. You wage wars since the times of the Romans in the Middle East, Macedon and Alexander too; Europe caused the region quite a headache, bringing blood and death in every era.

Even Jews got butchered:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition

So what's you problem with Europeans supporting Israel after persecuting Jews for 2000 years?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Some of you Europeans are hilarious. You wage wars since the times of the Romans in the Middle East, Macedon and Alexander too; Europe caused the region quite a headache, bringing blood and death in every era.

Even Jews got butchered:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition

So what's you problem with Europeans supporting Israel after persecuting Jews for 2000 years?

That's your most idiotic question yet.  I look forward to you crossing the bar you've just set.

Boru