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The shroud of turin
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They're left to scraping the bottom of the barrel of the god of the gaps
 Any piece of scrap, no matter how implausible is enough to spark hope in those who desperately crave it.
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear. 
What I don't get is why it matters. Let's say the Shroud is proven to be a pious fraud, that all the things skeptics say about it turn out to be true and verifiable to the extent that even the most ardent authenticity supporters admit they got it wrong. Do we imagine for one minute that this is going to damage anyone's belief in Jesus?
Similarly, if the Shroud were shown to be authentic (in that it is the burial cloth of the Jesus of the Gospel narrative), are we seriously to expect mass conversions to Christianity? It would do nothing to prove the divinity of Jesus, or the miracles claimed for Jesus, or, well, anything other than that he was wrapped in this particular cloth. The whole thing smacks of desperation. Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
 RE: The shroud of turin
January 23, 2020 at 8:31 am
(This post was last modified: January 23, 2020 at 8:37 am by Otangelo.)
Why is a cloth proof of magic?
It always looked to me more like Rasputin than Jesus.
![[Image: article-2300503-18F90CF4000005DC-968_306x381.jpg]](https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/03/28/article-2300503-18F90CF4000005DC-968_306x381.jpg) Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
 (January 23, 2020 at 6:20 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It always looked to me more like Rasputin than Jesus. 1 Corinthians 11:14 "Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him,"
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
"The world is my country; all of humanity are my brethren; and to do good deeds is my religion." (Thomas Paine)
On the hair thing, if there was an 'historical Jesus', he likely kept his hair somewhat short according to the custom of the place and time, since he wasn't a Nazarite (Nazarites were teetotalers, while Yeshua was reputed to drink wine). The Jesus of the Shroud of Turin is of the popularly-imagined Jesus. Coincidence? I think not.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
Talking about religious relics, what, nobody talks about dragon's bones in the church in Venice?
![[Image: IMG-2062.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/DwfG9VMB/IMG-2062.jpg) I mean priests there believe that they are real and they caused many miraculous healings, so isn't that evidence enough? And it's not the only church that claims to have dragon bones, there's a cathedral in Poland with miracle inducing dragon bones. ![[Image: 225-D1-D22-73-C7-43-B2-A0-B2-C77235833-B21.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/CLc5fRcs/225-D1-D22-73-C7-43-B2-A0-B2-C77235833-B21.jpg)
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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