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[Quranic Reflection]: Hell and the ultimate fate of the universe
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Hell and the ultimate fate of the universe
I've always had a sneaking suspicion that the universe is nothing more than the vivid imagination of some autistic adolescent entity.
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#12
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Hell and the ultimate fate of the universe
@AtlasS33 Why, in what way, would that be hell?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jahannam
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#13
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Hell and the ultimate fate of the universe
(January 31, 2020 at 9:41 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(January 31, 2020 at 9:09 am)Brian37 Wrote: The Koran IS NOT a science textbook. It is an old book of mythology, just like the Bible , Jewish OT and Hindu Bagavad Gita..

NOBODY, absolutely NOBODY in antiquity had any lick of modern scientific knowledge. 

I can't begin to count how many times since 2001 online how many Christians, Jews, Buddhists and even once a Hindu, who argued their holy writings match science. 

SCIENTIFIC METHOD, is not a religion, it is a neutral tool. It is not there to prop up any holy writing of any religion.

It's perfectly possible for 'holy writings' to match science.  However, these instances are pretty trite, not predicative, and the matches are either coincidence or based on simple observation. As an example (there are plenty of others) Ecclesiastes 11:3 states that 'if the clouds are full of rain, they empty themselves upon the earth.' Even without knowledge of meteorology, this pretty obviously matches what science says.

Boru

The Hebrew bible contains divine revelations, but also contains human forgeries, just like the Roman bible.
The Quran though, is the last pure revelation remaining.

To test each book; it must be 100% correct in each verse, even 99% means that the book is not pure.
The Quran is 100% correct, unlike the bible which fails in this test.

I don't believe that making "blind assumptions" towards very sensitive scientific matters is "a strike of luck that magically work".
That's quite absurd in my opinion.
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#14
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Hell and the ultimate fate of the universe
(January 31, 2020 at 6:36 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(January 31, 2020 at 9:41 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It's perfectly possible for 'holy writings' to match science.  However, these instances are pretty trite, not predicative, and the matches are either coincidence or based on simple observation. As an example (there are plenty of others) Ecclesiastes 11:3 states that 'if the clouds are full of rain, they empty themselves upon the earth.' Even without knowledge of meteorology, this pretty obviously matches what science says.

Boru

The Hebrew bible contains divine revelations, but also contains human forgeries, just like the Roman bible.
The Quran though, is the last pure revelation remaining.

To test each book; it must be 100% correct in each verse, even 99% means that the book is not pure.
The Quran is 100% correct, unlike the bible which fails in this test.

I don't believe that making "blind assumptions" towards very sensitive scientific matters is "a strike of luck that magically work".
That's quite absurd in my opinion.

The Quran says that the Trinity is three separate gods. This is wrong. It also mistakenly says that Mary is part of the Trinity, something that no Christian has ever taught or believed.

Therefore, the Quran is not 100% correct and cannot be the word of God.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Hell and the ultimate fate of the universe
(January 31, 2020 at 6:55 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(January 31, 2020 at 6:36 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: The Hebrew bible contains divine revelations, but also contains human forgeries, just like the Roman bible.
The Quran though, is the last pure revelation remaining.

To test each book; it must be 100% correct in each verse, even 99% means that the book is not pure.
The Quran is 100% correct, unlike the bible which fails in this test.

I don't believe that making "blind assumptions" towards very sensitive scientific matters is "a strike of luck that magically work".
That's quite absurd in my opinion.

The Quran says that the Trinity is three separate gods. This is wrong. It also mistakenly says that Mary is part of the Trinity, something that no Christian has ever taught or believed.

Therefore, the Quran is not 100% correct and cannot be the word of God.

Boru

You need to bring me the verse.
The only one I recall about the trinity doesn't say that at all.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Hell and the ultimate fate of the universe
(January 31, 2020 at 8:19 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(January 31, 2020 at 6:55 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: The Quran says that the Trinity is three separate gods. This is wrong. It also mistakenly says that Mary is part of the Trinity, something that no Christian has ever taught or believed.

Therefore, the Quran is not 100% correct and cannot be the word of God.

Boru

You need to bring me the verse.
The only one I recall about the trinity doesn't say that at all.

5:73 and 5:116

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Hell and the ultimate fate of the universe
(January 31, 2020 at 8:24 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(January 31, 2020 at 8:19 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: You need to bring me the verse.
The only one I recall about the trinity doesn't say that at all.

5:73 and 5:116

Boru

5:73 says:

Quote:https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#aya=5_73

Sura 5

( 73 )   They have certainly disbelieved who say, "Allah is the third of three." And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment.

It didn't say that the three are separate Gods.

5:116 says:

Quote:https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#aya=5_116

Sura 5:

( 116 )   And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen.

The trinity is not even mentioned here.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Hell and the ultimate fate of the universe
(January 31, 2020 at 8:51 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(January 31, 2020 at 8:24 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: 5:73 and 5:116

Boru

5:73 says:

Quote:https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#aya=5_73

Sura 5

( 73 )   They have certainly disbelieved who say, "Allah is the third of three." And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment.

It didn't say that the three are separate Gods.

5:116 says:

Quote:https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#aya=5_116

Sura 5:

( 116 )   And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen.

The trinity is not even mentioned here.

Your power of self delusion knows no bounds.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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#19
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Hell and the ultimate fate of the universe
The endless circle of your magic book is incorrect but my magic book is without error.

The big three should just agree to play rock, paper, scissors to decide which of the conflicting versions is the 'true' one.
 “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.” ~Albert Einstein                                                 
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