Was Bruce Wayne truly innocent?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

1. Obviously suggest by Alfred - all part of the larger plot, you see.

2. Chill was never ‘a small time hood’. It simply took the GCPD time to uncover the Lew Moxon connection.

3. Chill ALWAYS knew who the Waynes were - Alfred could not have set up the hit otherwise.

4. Nonsense. Alfred would have ordered him to leave Bruce alive.

5. Caused and reinforced by Alfred.

6. That’s what they WANT you to think.

7. Agreed.

Boru

[The Architect Of Fate]

1. Obviously suggest by Alfred - all part of the larger plot, you see.

2. Chill was never ‘a small time hood’. It simply took the GCPD time to uncover the Lew Moxon connection.

3. Chill ALWAYS knew who the Waynes were - Alfred could not have set up the hit otherwise.

4. Nonsense. Alfred would have ordered him to leave Bruce alive.

5. Caused and reinforced by Alfred.

6. That’s what they WANT you to think.

7. Agreed.

Boru

1. Accept Alfred wasn't present that night and he descion was spur of he moment

2.Depending on the version Chill was either a small time hood or a mob hit man 

3.There is little reason Alfred would ha to kill Thomas Wayne 

4. Why 

5.Why

6.Really ?

[brewer]

Can anyone with a side kick named the "Boy Wonder" be truly innocent?

The World Wonders.

"Quick Robin, to the Bat Pole" should have been a dead giveaway.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

1. Obviously suggest by Alfred - all part of the larger plot, you see.

2. Chill was never ‘a small time hood’. It simply took the GCPD time to uncover the Lew Moxon connection.

3. Chill ALWAYS knew who the Waynes were - Alfred could not have set up the hit otherwise.

4. Nonsense. Alfred would have ordered him to leave Bruce alive.

5. Caused and reinforced by Alfred.

6. That’s what they WANT you to think.

7. Agreed.

Boru

1. Accept Alfred wasn't present that night and he descion was spur of he moment

2.Depending on the version Chill was either a small time hood or a mob hit man 

3.There is little reason Alfred would ha to kill Thomas Wayne 

4. Why 

5.Why

6.Really ?

1. Alfred didn’t need to be there. As Thomas Wayne’s partner in crime, he was adept at operating from behind the scenes.

2. In the earliest version of the story, he was portrayed as a small time hood. He was in Alfred’s employ all the time (as was Moxon).

3. I already went over this. Alfred wanted Thomas out of the way so he would have sole control over the Wayne criminal empire.

4. Alfred saw in Bruce a valuable tool. Bruce was originally a torpedo/hitman for Alfred, until he became strong enough on his own to take over. 

5. Because it’s a terrific cover story. If they could get people to believe that Bruce was traumatized by the deaths of his parents, it would provide an ‘out’ if Bruce was ever caught. In reality, the little skiver was a psychopath from Day 1.

Boru

[The Architect Of Fate]

1. Accept Alfred wasn't present that night and he descion was spur of he moment

2.Depending on the version Chill was either a small time hood or a mob hit man 

3.There is little reason Alfred would ha to kill Thomas Wayne 

4. Why 

5.Why

6.Really ?

1. Alfred didn’t need to be there. As Thomas Wayne’s partner in crime, he was adept at operating from behind the scenes.

2. In the earliest version of the story, he was portrayed as a small time hood. He was in Alfred’s employ all the time (as was Moxon).

3. I already went over this. Alfred wanted Thomas out of the way so he would have sole control over the Wayne criminal empire.

4. Alfred saw in Bruce a valuable tool. Bruce was originally a torpedo/hitman for Alfred, until he became strong enough on his own to take over. 

5. Because it’s a terrific cover story. If they could get people to believe that Bruce was traumatized by the deaths of his parents, it would provide an ‘out’ if Bruce was ever caught. In reality, the little skiver was a psychopath from Day 1.

Boru

1.Accept to my knowledge Thomas Wayne wasn't a criminal .And why would Alfred just kill them himself like he did in the Owl Man timeline 

2.In the earliest versions of the story Alfred didn't even exist as a character .He doesn't show up till detective comics 83 while the murder of he Waynes goes back to issue 33

3.Accept there is no way alfred could legally inherit the Wayne estate or Wayne enterprises and again Thomas Wayne wasn't a criminal 

4.Accept in most depiction Alfred doesn't want him to become batman or pursue a path of vengeance

5. Accept all the times Batmans been mind probed or put under the influence of something  (Fear Gas ) we see him relive the trauma. So is he lying to himself ?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

1. Alfred didn’t need to be there. As Thomas Wayne’s partner in crime, he was adept at operating from behind the scenes.

2. In the earliest version of the story, he was portrayed as a small time hood. He was in Alfred’s employ all the time (as was Moxon).

3. I already went over this. Alfred wanted Thomas out of the way so he would have sole control over the Wayne criminal empire.

4. Alfred saw in Bruce a valuable tool. Bruce was originally a torpedo/hitman for Alfred, until he became strong enough on his own to take over. 

5. Because it’s a terrific cover story. If they could get people to believe that Bruce was traumatized by the deaths of his parents, it would provide an ‘out’ if Bruce was ever caught. In reality, the little skiver was a psychopath from Day 1.

Boru

1.Accept to my knowledge Thomas Wayne wasn't a criminal .And why would Alfred just kill them himself like he did in the Owl Man timeline 

2.In the earliest versions of the story Alfred didn't even exist as a character .He doesn't show up till detective comics 83 while the murder of he Waynes goes back to issue 33

3.Accept there is no way alfred could legally inherit the Wayne estate or Wayne enterprises and again Thomas Wayne wasn't a criminal 

4.Accept in most depiction Alfred doesn't want him to become batman or pursue a path of vengeance

5. Accept all the times Batmans been mind probed or put under the influence of something  (Fear Gas ) we see him relive the trauma. So is he lying to himself ?

1. Of course you’re unaware of it. True criminal mastermind always operate from the shadows. Alfred didn’t kill the Waynes himself for reasons of plausible deniability.

2. See above. Operating from the shadows.

3. Correct - Bruce inherited Wayne Enterprises, which was a front for the Wayne criminal syndicate.

4. All part of the manipulation of Bruce’s psyche.

5. Deep down, Bruce hated his parents for serving sliced hippopotamus in suitcase sauce at his 7th birthday party. But his mind has been so warped by Alfred, that he’s deluded himself into thinking that he loves and misses his parents.

6. In case you haven’t worked it out yet, I’m taking the mickey.

Boru

[The Architect Of Fate]

1.Accept to my knowledge Thomas Wayne wasn't a criminal .And why would Alfred just kill them himself like he did in the Owl Man timeline 

2.In the earliest versions of the story Alfred didn't even exist as a character .He doesn't show up till detective comics 83 while the murder of he Waynes goes back to issue 33

3.Accept there is no way alfred could legally inherit the Wayne estate or Wayne enterprises and again Thomas Wayne wasn't a criminal 

4.Accept in most depiction Alfred doesn't want him to become batman or pursue a path of vengeance

5. Accept all the times Batmans been mind probed or put under the influence of something  (Fear Gas ) we see him relive the trauma. So is he lying to himself ?

1. Of course you’re unaware of it. True criminal mastermind always operate from the shadows. Alfred didn’t kill the Waynes himself for reasons of plausible deniability.

2. See above. Operating from the shadows.

3. Correct - Bruce inherited Wayne Enterprises, which was a front for the Wayne criminal syndicate.

4. All part of the manipulation of Bruce’s psyche.

5. Deep down, Bruce hated his parents for serving sliced hippopotamus in suitcase sauce at his 7th birthday party. But his mind has been so warped by Alfred, that he’s deluded himself into thinking that he loves and misses his parents.

6. In case you haven’t worked it out yet, I’m taking the mickey.

Boru

1.He littely didn't exist when the story was written 

2.See above 

3.Accept Wayne wasn't a criminal 

4.Too make him not acquire skills that would make him good at the task he wanted to use him for ?

5. Considering other characters like DR Fate have literally been watching Bruce his entire life .Being a hero you think he would bring that up at some point as it's a huge plot change .

6. I know i'm just arguing for fun  

[chimp3]

Recently I've noticed here a trend to ask deep, probing questions about famous historical figures, so I've decided to ask an important question about another famous figure.

Was Bruce Wayne TRULY innocent in the deaths of his parents?

Think about it.

- They decide to leave the theatre early, but instead of going out the brightly lit entrance, they leave by a side door into a dark, dingy alley.

- There just happens to be someone waiting in that alley for them.

- As important people in Gotham they were likely instantly recognisable to anyone they met.

- On the pretext of robbing them, the assassin shot both but conveniently left a witness.

And who us the one who will benefit from their deaths? Bruce.

I think his parents discovered his obsession with the night, with bats, and with dangerous activities andcwere going to have young Bruce committed to Arkham.    But he found about it and arranged the hit.

Hero, my arse!







I am a serious thread.  Don't fuck it up, Iggy!

I suspect the Butler.

Mr and Mrs Wayne would have written in their will : "In the event of our deaths, and before Bruce has completed University, we grant our beloved butler, Alfred,  Full Power of Attorney to conduct all financial affairs, with all good intentions for Bruce, until such time when Bruce can assume full control over the families vast business fortune."

Then Alfred diverts all the fortunes to his own secret accounts. At the same time he hires a series of confederates who pose as evil penguins and masked jokers. Even a "girl friend" hooker dressed like a cat. A Bat Light which has always vexed the local zoning commission. Alfred indulges the boys hero complex and buys him cool clothes and Ninja lessons. 

Finally, Alfred fakes his own death. The destruction of Wayne Manor destroys all links to his fraud. Alfred is now living in a hidden tropical paradise investing the bulk of his wealth in Bogus Life Extension therapies and Cryogenics. 

The End!

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Recently I've noticed here a trend to ask deep, probing questions about famous historical figures, so I've decided to ask an important question about another famous figure.

Was Bruce Wayne TRULY innocent in the deaths of his parents?

Think about it.

- They decide to leave the theatre early, but instead of going out the brightly lit entrance, they leave by a side door into a dark, dingy alley.

- There just happens to be someone waiting in that alley for them.

- As important people in Gotham they were likely instantly recognisable to anyone they met.

- On the pretext of robbing them, the assassin shot both but conveniently left a witness.

And who us the one who will benefit from their deaths? Bruce.

I think his parents discovered his obsession with the night, with bats, and with dangerous activities andcwere going to have young Bruce committed to Arkham.    But he found about it and arranged the hit.

Hero, my arse!







I am a serious thread.  Don't fuck it up, Iggy!

I suspect the Butler.

Mr and Mrs Wayne would have written in their will : "In the event of our deaths, and before Bruce has completed University, we grant our beloved butler, Alfred,  Full Power of Attorney to conduct all financial affairs, with all good intentions for Bruce, until such time when Bruce can assume full control over the families vast business fortune."

Then Alfred diverts all the fortunes to his own secret accounts. At the same time he hires a series of confederates who pose as evil penguins and masked jokers. Even a "girl friend" hooker dressed like a cat. A Bat Light which has always vexed the local zoning commission. Alfred indulges the boys hero complex and buys him cool clothes and Ninja lessons. 

Finally, Alfred fakes his own death. The destruction of Wayne Manor destroys all links to his fraud. Alfred is now living in a hidden tropical paradise investing the bulk of his wealth in Bogus Life Extension therapies and Cryogenics. 

The End!

Love it! 

Boru

[The Valkyrie]

So, generally we're agreed that butlers are backstabbing, conniving bastards who are not worth the money he's demanding I pay him?