Why do some people condone hell?

[The Grand Nudger]

I think that you might be looking at this wrong OP. A belief in hell, or the acceptance of hell, probably isn't a good indicator of psychopathy or any disorder at all. Exactly the opposite. Genuine conformity to milieu suggests a well adapted and healthy person. Have to keep the reality of the underlying cultural valuation of sin in mind when you wonder who would agree to or with a hell concept. The answer to that is you, me, all of us. It may not represent our better nature, but it certainly has a place in it.

The belief may seem silly or cruel today, depending, but as hell is created it swirls around things believed to be the most serious possible harm. These things change with time and place and we don't always agree with the propositions thousands of years later, as is the case with the ongoing creation of christian ethics. Any person you would be tempted to let rot and die is the conceptual equivalent to any given christians ideal hellbound sinner. That we can consider this and agree, in whatever way, shows that we accept the underlying valuation even if we do not believe that the contents of the set are accurately reflected in christian belief. That we are just as well adapted to the milieu as any christian.

TLDR version, when two people are disagreeing over which is the brightest red..they are very much in agreement over the existence of the color red.

[Belacqua]

PSYCHOTIC

Atheists don't have the option of passing judgment and then imagining that a just universe deals out the appropriate punishment. 

But we are certainly capable of passing judgment on huge numbers of people, without really taking the time to understand them. Declaring that some huge segment of humanity is PSYCHOTIC is not so different from saying that they're bad, that they can't be saved, that they don't deserve our sympathy.  

There is a lovely view among some Christians that God is the One, is complete connectedness. That everything is actually infinitely connected, and heaven is just the state of perceiving that infinity. For these Christians, hell is the opposite: total disconnection, in which we think so highly of ourselves that we no longer see our intimate indissoluble attachment to others. It is only in this state that we can lose our empathy and declare that people unlike ourselves are bad, and that we are superior. For these Christians, we put ourselves in hell by passing judgment, losing empathy, and calling others irredeemable.

[The Grand Nudger]

Pointing out that some person is a bad person does not mean that the person who noticed it feels superior. Ask a christian or an atheist if that's the case and neither will be forced to state as much on account of some other person doing bad shit.

Still, if we're talking about bad shit, we can compare bad shit. Case in point, having severe concerns about the psychology of a belief in hell is very, very different from saying that a person can't be "saved" and doesn't deserve our sympathy. If we're doing any genuine comparison here, ofc.

[Gwaithmir]

Condoning hell = fear mongering.

[Succubus#2]

... but since the bible is a huge mess of contradictions, I don't know which idea to trust, eternal damnation or the second death, the bible can't seem to make up its mind...

Your tag line says: "Agnostic but slowly turning Atheist."

SC01. As each day passes you're sounding more like that fucknukle Seylee.

[arewethereyet]

... but since the bible is a huge mess of contradictions, I don't know which idea to trust, eternal damnation or the second death, the bible can't seem to make up its mind...

Your tag line says: "Agnostic but slowly turning Atheist."

SC01. As each day passes you're sounding more like that fucknukle Seylee.

One of my favorite words...    

Followed closely by fuckweasel.

[Drich]

I just don't get how anyone could be at peace of mind knowing someone they hate or don't like will be burning and being tortured forever and with no ending. I mean, some people people wish upon kids to go to hell (Like infamous kids like that 11 year old school shooter from Mexico that happened 4 months ago). Concepts like hell are exactly why im losing more faith in religion and turning more atheist. Some people claim it's justice, really? How is being in a lake of fire "justice" that's not justice, thats just plain sickening revenge, twisted revenge. I mean seriously, think about it, what if YOU were in that position? Wouldn't you hate the god for sending you there? I don't wish for people like Hitler, Stalin, Zedong, Dahmer, Bundy, Lanza, Harris and Klebold, or even my own mother even though we haven't always had a good relationship with each other, to be burned alive for eternity, because hell is like an eye for an eye, but more fucked up. How is it that this god created hell on for Satan and his angels, but then all a sudden just makes humans go there. Couldn't he had just make a heaven for sinners? Hell is UNETHICAL. Heck, even Jesus seems to condone it, even though he claimed he loved all: 

"Then he will say also to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry, and you didn’t give me food to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink; I was a stranger, and you didn’t take me in; naked, and you didn’t clothe me; sick, and in prison, and you didn’t visit me." 

So why must they go there with him exactly if it was only meant for Satan and his angels? I honestly don't know, only read the first 60 something pages of the bibble before I stopped reading it entirely. It's sad how so many people still believe in these kinds of afterlives, just a disappointing display of immorality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiYJ5Io59gU&t=297s
Above is the understanding and explanation of how God or the bible identifies sin. it is way way different than what most churches teach. it given a different perspective and understanding. sin is not just about breaking the moral law. the moral side of the law was only 1/3 of the total understanding of sin. this however is all we know of sin now which allows you to make unjust judgement of how hell is punishment. If you understood fully what sin was you would understand hell.

Which is not the same hell taught again in most catholic type of churches. hell in the RC church is more based on the Greek and roman accounts of hell. the hell in the bible is again very different and serves a completely different purpose. in the bible version of Hell Satan does not reign he is ot master there. he is master here. in this world. there is is set to be punished forever for the destruction of the souls he has consumed here by sin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh1wDAhnnh8&t=12s

[The Grand Nudger]

Why not 7/8s of the law, or 1/5?

Unless you're prepared to explain what these other thirds are and how that would change a persons judgement of the concept of hell - you're just plastering the same nothingisms in multiple threads hoping they stick somewhere, anywhere.

[Succubus#2]

Your tag line says: "Agnostic but slowly turning Atheist."

SC01. As each day passes you're sounding more like that fucknukle Seylee.

One of my favorite words...    

Followed closely by fuckweasel.

Another beauty I picked up working with the Aussies:
'Knobpolisher' - Wanker. Or 'he's having is knob polished' - He shagging.

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'At least you can fucking die and leave North Korea!'

Man I miss him. Got to meet him briefly to get an autograph back in 07 at the "Crystal Clear" convention in DC.

Yes a great loss, a sharp mind and a beautiful voice, I can listen to him for hours.

Err, yes it's two hours so mebbie you should bookmark it for later.





Hitchens and Fry pulverizing Ann Widdecombe and some fuckwit bishop.

From the comments section:
Stephen and Christopher are such hypocrites. They say that killing people is bad yet they murdered the two idiots they debated.

[Drich]

Why not 7/8s of the law, or 1/5?  

Unless you're prepared to explain what these other thirds are and how that would change a persons judgement of the concept of hell - you're just plastering the same nothingisms in multiple threads hoping they stick somewhere, anywhere.

because as i explain in the video the law is subdivided into three parts by the Jews. the first 1/3 was called the civil law. it was all the rules one needed to follow to live as an ot jew. this covers everything for housing to hygiene to trade property and servant ownership to taxes. breaking these laws could get you whipped or stoned  just like the moral laws.

2/3 was known to the Jews as the ceremonial laws. this was all about the worship of God sacrifices (including atonement for sin through animal sacrifice)  how the temple worked who could work as a priest how they were to dress how the were to make offering and how and every other aspect of worship from the temple to how they were to dispose of waste. Uzzah was not a levite priest and broke the law concerning who could touch the ark. again not a moral sin, but a ceremonial sin.

3/3 then the moral law which you know centering around the 10 commandments and extending to what the church adapts.

the majority of the law have nothing to do with right and wrong. in fact owning slaves is wrong and yet there is law providing ownership of slaves. again proving God is not about your understanding of morality. meaning heaven and hell is not about being good or bad. God see us as all bad. yet has provided us a gift to enter heaven any way as he is not judging us based on moral works

When asked Jesus said to become my follower you must follow 2 laws. and again these two laws are not centered around what you would identify as morality. They are to love God with all of your being and treat your neighbor as yourself. in doing this he said the laws will be made complete.

So everything boils down to love and our ability to forgive. which makes sin itself nothing more than a stain or  the bible says yeast but virus will also work. as it only takes the smallest compromise the smallest unrepentant sin to allow the virus a foot hold that will eventually take the body. That's what satan does he infects us with sin, sin we rather than repent of make excuses for or even make them 'moral.'

with this stain of sin moral or not, you can not be allowed to free roam among the uninfected. if you got the covid or if you got the zombie virus which is what sin is more closely describes as it does not matter how good you were. it does not matter how moral or what you did in this life. like wise a evil immoral man could not have the virus and heaven's door would be open to him. because it is not about being 1/3 of the law compliant. the question is are you infected? if he is not. he is allowed in.

all you people out side of God think you can be 1/3 compliant with the law and gain or earn your way into heaven when heaven is simply a quarantine zone keeping those who will turn into life destroying zombies out or away from the inoculated or saved.

dude I've been here 8 years when have i not been able to offer explanation to what i have said? all of this btw in the video and my thread sinned explained.. maybe if you did work so hard trying to find new ways to shit on stuff maybe you'd learn something new.