The Struggle to do Good

[The Architect Of Fate]

Not mention porn would actually be anti evolution if we treated it in such simplistic fashion as porn doesn't lead to reproduction in fact in some cases it could be a distraction from it, And the conclusion magic sky daddy is the cause is just silly .

Oh and for the record i don't buy a word of this story

[GUBU]

Will I tell you what evil is, a christian deciding that the jews of Europe must die because they're "inferior"

Prove to me that's evil.

Killing 6,000,000 plus people through various barbaric ways (mass firing squads, gas chambers, working and starving people to death) isn't evil?

You truly are a fucked up little bunny aren't you.

[The Grand Nudger]

-but yanking on your pecker is.

Things like that might make a sane and rational person think that someone's moral agency is out of whack. God's, or the petitioners. It's up to those people whether they insist on saddling their gods with the inadequacies of their own moral agency or justifications.

[no one]

More and more this god bozo seems to be a sadistic deviant.

[The Grand Nudger]

Which is always a possibility, if there are gods. I sometimes wonder whether the faithful would prefer their god to be good and fictional, or existent and evil. Whether it's existence or it's moral status is more important to them.

[Mr.wizard]

Why do you think there aren't societal pressures to make you feel ashamed for your masturbation? Because society is full of Christian censors who affect people even if they are not Christians. I mean just take movies which are under MPAA which was preceded by the Catholic League of Decency and they can implant in you various Christian taboos like that female body is shameful and not to mention masturbation. For instance, in the documentary "This Film Is Not Yet Rated" Kevin Smith says how in the movie "Jersey Girl" there was a scene where Liv Tyler' Character mentions how she masturbates two times a day and that MPAA slapped R rating on the movie so he had to remove that scene from a movie because they want to send the message to the public how "decent people don't do that."

So there are stigmas in the society that flow from religions.

First, I never mentioned masturbation in my original post, so I'm not sure where that came from.

Second, after careful introspection, I can honestly say that this urge to not look at pornographic material isn't from society. In fact, society seems to be trying to influence me to ignore this urge that I have. The media is full of sexual content, innuendo, and people telling others that there's nothing wrong with pornography or masturbation (since you guys brought that up).

Let me add however that this is my own experience. I'm sure there are others who have been brought up in very religious households or who were raised during a time when sexual promiscuity, porn, and masturbation were considered morally wrong.

Not looking at naked women should be considered a sin, please turn in your Man Card.

[The Architect Of Fate]

I argue for an response embargo .If we ignore the fool . It will get tired and go away .

[Abaddon_ire]

To turn you currently weak argument into a strong one, you'd have to first exhaustively list every single possible naturalistic force that would lead to you stopping your behavior.

I've already addressed this.

No, you failed to address it at all.

If evolution is more or less true, and if it's not guided by a moral agent, and if we're the products of evolution, then it makes little sense for me to possess this urge to not look at nude photos of unmarried women.

Your personal feelings of guilt are irrelevant. I really do not care what fucked up version of sexuality you have found in your youthful naive mind. It matters not if you are 500 years old. You have the intellect of an immature child when it comes to sexuality.

To be clear, I do have a sex drive and I do want to look at pornography, but there's this underlying current (i.e. urge) beneath that drive telling me not to and that it's wrong.

Nothing wrong with porn unless you are into something really perverse like snuff stuff or some such similar extremity. I may have some mileage now, but I can still rock a raging boner. Hell I am like a dog in heat as I drive around and see those HAWT women wearing practically nothing. Fantabulous.

But somehow, I would never do anything about that. Why would I? I had my time as a young turk back in the day. Now, it is someone else's time to have their's.

Would I happily bounce wobbly bits with those women? Sure, with full consent, and a one night stand more than likely since the age difference would transcend any mutual meeting of minds, if there even is a mind to meet. Most young men and women these days are airheads. And one cannot build a meaningful relationship of any sort on a foundation of fuck all squared.

No, these days what I seek in a partner is intelligence. That might seem trite to you in your youthful enthusiasm, but it is true. Give me a smart woman everyday. Those I appreciate. Hot young bimbo's are not really all that attractive once one scratches the surface.

I am quite sure that the reverse is true and hot young men are not so attractive either once one scratches the surface. I lack field experience  in that regard but I am certain some others will step in to fill that evidential gap

Why would an unguided and natural process that increases the survivability of species instill such an urge? That makes very little sense.

You might want to think that out. It makes absolute sense for the propagation of the species, especially given that the human race is not really fecund compared to other species.

Also, I've grown up during a time when sexual images, acts, and talk are widely disseminated. Society isn't influencing me to not look at pornography. It's actually influencing me to look at it. Yet, I still have this urge to not look at it.

Then don't look at it. Where is the problem?

So if this urge isn't from nature or society then that seems to point to something transcendent and in Christianity it's called the Holy Spirit.

You mean the unholy rapist, right? The same spirit that raped and impregnated mary in the bible, right?

[The Grand Nudger]

Yeah, fun to discuss either way. The title struck me right off the bat as interesting. The struggle to do good.

Is it a struggle to do good, or to do bad? There's a comment on moral agency buried in however a person answers about the lay of the land in their inner world.

[Paleophyte]

"I don't understand why I stopped wanking therefore god."

It's irrational, unsound, and completely without merit as an argument but nearly makes up for it by pure, unadulterated of hilarity.

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Yeah, fun to discuss either way.  The title struck me right off the bat as interesting.  The struggle to do good.  

Is it a struggle to do good, or to do bad?  There's a comment on moral agency buried in however a person answers about the lay of the land in their inner world.

Yeah, did you notice how many people you didn't murder today? Neither did I. Odd how this isn't something I feel compelled to do.