Changing the banner to promote BLM

[arewethereyet]

Systemic racism is illegal in america, just as it is in the UK. The fact BLM et al have not been able to identify and call out these, apparently invisible, systemic racist structures which are active in the modern 2020 world screams that its only proponents are...well, mistaken in thinking they exist. 

Hysterical white mono-culture middle class with no black friends or lovers who worry they themselves are a little racist due to unfamiliarity and fear of the "different" (ie - black people) doing the "the lady doth protest too much, methinks" dance, and black people revelling in "poor, persecuted me" victim mentality making up the majority of their number, by my reckoning.

Basically, BLM is sad as fuck. 2c 50c. 

I'm not sure, personally, that I'll be able to continue here if this new banner comes to pass due to...er...embarrassment at frequenting a forum with such a stupid banner, especially when there are other, very REAL and MASSIVE problems facing the world, which would be apparently not, in the same way, deserving of being featured on the banner - global warming :cough cough:

It's puzzling to me that you don't seem to think systemic racism isn't REAL or MASSIVE.

You state that it's illegal...so what does that mean?  It no longer exists?  How about heroin?  It's illegal, does that mean it doesn't exist?  

I am confused by where you are coming from with your explanation for being displeased with the changing of the banner to something that reflects BLM.

To be clear, I am not on board with changing the banner.  There are too many issues out there...bigger, smaller, more prevalent, etc. to choose  a single one...in my opinion anyway.  There are too many deserving causes but trying to get agreement out of a diverse group of people is a challenge.  It would be nice to have a small emblem on one end of the banner that could be cycled around to different things but that's a lot to ask of an unpaid staff.   I know there won't ever be any sort of tribute to veterans and won't ever make the mistake of thanking veterans here again.  That's asking to get your ass handed to you.  So, I am out of this one too.


But this isn't my circus, not my monkeys, not my decision.

[downbeatplumb]

I support equality and civil rights fully, yet appose the fiction that society is systematically racist.

I don't know what it's like in Britain but systemic racism IS a problem in the US. It's hardly a fiction here.

Somethings have pointed out to me recently that people are very unaware of how deeply ingrained racism is in the UK I've been shocked by some people I know quite well being racist apparently unaware that they were being racist. Here in the UK it seems to be not so in your face but so insidious that people don't even know they're doing it.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Racism doesn’t have to be legal to be real. Even though not conventionally a ‘race’ (really wish there was a better word for that), the Irish community in NI has long been subject to what amounts to systemic racism regarding such basic things as police protection, housing, employment, and healthcare. I can’t imagine that the treatment of minorities in the US is much different.

The fact that such discrimination is illegal changes nothing.

Boru

[Duty]

The fact it is illegal SCREAMS FROM THE RAFTERS that racism is WRONG and that society CONDEMNS it. To say that's gotta stand for something is surely a prodigious understatement. Also, if racism is found out, people get arrested and thrown in prison etc. Ergo - prove systematic racism and heads roll. The fact that ain't happening screams that systematic racism ain't real.

I will just quickly repeat RE George Floyd's despicable killing - there is NO evidence of racism in it, and white people (namely Tony Timpa) have been killed in virtually identical if not even more despicable circumstances at the hands of US police. 

RE BLM, there's this video I'm watching...basically, BLM is not only a nebulous global protest movement, rather at core a firm organisation with founders and a heap of doctrine, much of which is plain batshit insanity it would seem, such as hating on white people and wishing to defund the police altogether. From 7 mins for that stuff, haven't finished it yet.

[The Grand Nudger]

It stands for nothing. We say the same. Wanna tell me how george soros pays em, all, next? Dude, cmon. We cant keep doing this shit, it stands in the way of what actually is great about our respective cultures. Things are fucked up, straight up fucked up by the numbers......we want to fix them, right?

Right?

Hey...remember that time you guys defunded the police by castrating your monarchy? Yeah. That.

[Duty]

19 mins he says "we have no evidence the killing of George Floyd was racially motivated." My brother 

[The Grand Nudger]

Systemic racism doesn't operate on personal animus. So....gj proving™ that something that doesnt matter wasn't at play.

This is me, giving you a slow white golf clap.

Just why is it, that you think, systemic racism would be a problem, if it existed? Is the fear that we could never get rid of all personal animus? I agree. That's not what systemic racism is.....but I agree.

[Duty]

Well worth a watch. Zuby says that in USA 70% of police killings are of whites and 25% are of blacks, but I recall that blacks make up abt 40% of prison inmates, so wouldn't that suggest that, proportionally, white criminals/arestables are more likely to be killed by police than blacks? Maths really ain't my strong point so feel free to correct...

[The Grand Nudger]

Trouble is that a quarter of the us aint black, let alone 40%. You might wonder whether there's a criminal black gene, or somesuch. Another great example of ignoring a problem by talking about something else, anything else. Jesus man, you aren't even american.

What dog do you have in this hunt? What dog does your british black friend have, for that matter? At some point you have to wonder why you, as A British Person, are so invested in denying clear issues in the US. Hanging on every word of some tomish motherfucker across an ocean.

Or, at least, I'd wonder.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Well worth a watch. Zuby says that in USA 70% of police killings are of whites and 25% are of blacks, but I recall that blacks make up abt 40% of prison inmates, so wouldn't that suggest that, proportionally, white criminals/arestables are more likely to be killed by police than blacks? Maths really ain't my strong point so feel free to correct...

Happy to help. Here’s the way to look at the numbers.

Black people killed by police in the US per million population: 42

White people killed by police in the US per million population: 14

Conclusion: you are three times more likely to be killed by a cop if you’re black than if you’re white.

Rates of arrest/incarceration don’t seem to be a relevant factor.

Boru