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[Remember]:torture since the American civil war
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RE: [Remember]:torture since the American civil war
July 2, 2020 at 8:46 am
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RE: [Remember]:torture since the American civil war
July 2, 2020 at 9:16 am
I love it when someone from a Turd World country tries to scold the US.
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RE: [Remember]:torture since the American civil war
July 2, 2020 at 9:35 am
(July 2, 2020 at 6:54 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:
(July 1, 2020 at 9:35 pm)no one Wrote: The "info" gathered from torture may not be reliable, but it sure is fun to extract it nonetheless.

Take ten people, each of them unaware that the others have been caught. Persuade them to give you information. Nine of the ten give you the same information. What's your conclusion?

I’m have a memory lapse - who was the American general who said something like, ‘I can get more usable intel out of a prisoner with two beers and a pack of cigarettes than I can with any amount of torture’?

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RE: [Remember]:torture since the American civil war
July 2, 2020 at 9:44 am
(July 2, 2020 at 9:35 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(July 2, 2020 at 6:54 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Take ten people, each of them unaware that the others have been caught. Persuade them to give you information. Nine of the ten give you the same information. What's your conclusion?

I’m have a memory lapse - who was the American general who said something like, ‘I can get more usable intel out of a prisoner with two beers and a pack of cigarettes than I can with any amount of torture’?

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Montgomery?
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RE: [Remember]:torture since the American civil war
July 6, 2020 at 5:42 am
Countries in the middle east have extensively used torture 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/o...port-finds

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/featur...45089.html

https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/08/19/iraq...ure-deaths

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...72101.html
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RE: [Remember]:torture since the American civil war
July 6, 2020 at 9:08 am
(July 6, 2020 at 5:42 am)SUNGULA Wrote: Countries in the middle east have extensively used torture 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/o...port-finds

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/featur...45089.html

https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/08/19/iraq...ure-deaths

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...72101.html

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RE: [Remember]:torture since the American civil war
July 6, 2020 at 9:19 am
(July 6, 2020 at 9:08 am)Deesse23 Wrote:
(July 6, 2020 at 5:42 am)SUNGULA Wrote: Countries in the middle east have extensively used torture 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/o...port-finds

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/featur...45089.html

https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/08/19/iraq...ure-deaths

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...72101.html

The only person on this planet who is maybe surprised, maybe irritated, maybe pissed off, that person is most probably the creator of this crackpot thread.
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RE: [Remember]:torture since the American civil war
July 7, 2020 at 5:06 am
(July 1, 2020 at 9:55 am)tackattack Wrote: torture works

It doesn't work at all if one's goal is to get at the truth. If one is a sadistic bastard who needs the pain of others to get one's rocks off, then it does work.

The first is the professed goal of torturers down through the ages.
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RE: [Remember]:torture since the American civil war
July 7, 2020 at 6:03 am
(July 7, 2020 at 5:06 am)Nomad Wrote:
(July 1, 2020 at 9:55 am)tackattack Wrote: torture works

It doesn't work at all if one's goal is to get at the truth.  If one is a sadistic bastard who needs the pain of others to get one's rocks off, then it does work.

The first is the professed goal of torturers down through the ages.

Correct on all counts. As General Mattis implied, there’s really no reason to torture someone for information. The subject is more likely to say - literally - anything to make the torture stop.

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RE: [Remember]:torture since the American civil war
July 7, 2020 at 7:20 am
I’ll be more specific nomad. Standardized and systemic torture applied equivocally to appropriate sample sizes of isolated prisoners is effective for validating a shared piece of information every time. It may not be a great tool, a moral tool, or an acceptable method, but it can be very effective.
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