That Gay Thread

[The Architect Of Fate]

They said he should grow up into an emotional man who can have a cry, and that teaching manliness is wrong.

What is “manliness,” and why is crying antithetical to it?

The weird thing is IA claims he cares about men's issues but endorses a mindset that hurts men. Men being taught not to deal with their emotions in a healthy way will lead to them dealing with those emotions in an unhealthy and destructive way that will harm themselves and the people around them.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

What is “manliness,” and why is crying antithetical to it?

The weird thing is IA claims he cares about men's issues but endorses a mindset that hurts men. Men being taught not to deal with their emotions in a healthy way will lead to them dealing with those emotions in an unhealthy and destructive way that will harm themselves and the people around them.

About 30 years ago, I went on a weekend course. The curse was on being a man today or some such. It was Radix (neo Reichian Psychology) Some of it included some Gestalt exercises. 

This was a great course for me to attend. 

It has been said that sport is Australia's  religion. There's a lot of truth in that claim. Sadly, that has meant Australia has developed a toxic macho culture.  To the extent that the neanderthals who play our sports often get done for Pub fights where they have glassed someone  or perhaps just sexually assaulted some poor young woman.

We learn that it's fine for a bloke to show anger or even happiness, but most definitely not fear or sadness. No fucking crying, that's for wimps. Women may show sadness or fear, but not anger. So I learned to be a stoic imploder. This meant that I would get depressed and that led to years of therapy.

The last time I cried as in sobbing, was at my mother's funeral in 2019. My best friend in all the world died 3 months later. Nary a tear  did I shed. Before that it was in 1991 when my marriage ended. For the first week I would just burst into tears for no apparent reason. I'm so glad I could.

These days I sometimes shed a tear for something sad  on Netflix or Youtube. This how it is, not how I'd like it to be.  I have noticed that with age, my emotions tend to be closer to the surface. Not sure why, perhaps because  I care so little what anyone think, apart from say my siblings.

[Huggy Bear]

Now you did ask me about lbgt advocates and my question to you (which you never answered btw) was where were these white lbgt advocates when a white lbgt was essentially getting away with murduing two gay black men? They never said one word about Ed Buck, yet they have all the smoke for Dave Chappelle. Miss me with that.

First of all, these two events aren’t similar enough to be considered comparable, so I don’t know what you hope to achieve by doing so. On the one hand, we have a white man and LGBTQ donor on the hook for murdering two gay, black sexual partners, and on the other we have a prominent comedian publicly delegitimizing trans people at time when trans rights are being attacked all over the country. I’m not sure where you think the “gotcha” is. ?

But to answer your question: where were “they?” I don’t know, Huggy. Who is “they?” I know that over 100 protesters gathered at Ed Buck’s door step after law enforcement lagged on pressing charges. So, unless you did a personal background check on every protestor to verify that none of them were LGBTQ, or both black and LGBTQ, you’re pissing in the wind. But more broadly, when you say “they,” do you think the LGBTQ community is some kind of hive mind? Because that sounds exactly like white people saying, in response to police killings of black men, “they don’t even care about black on black crime.” Is that the kind of mentality you’d like to employ?

First of all, black on black crime makes absolutely zero sense because white people that commit crimes against white people isn't referred to as white on white crime.

secondly, white people bring up black on black crime to deflect from protests against police brutality. Because A black person that commits a crime is held accountable, while a police officer usually isn't, there is zero point in protesting a black criminal that is in jail over a cop who is chilling at home on paid leave.

Zero charges were brought against Ed Buck when the first gay black man was found in his home amidst illegal drug paraphernalia.


People were calling out the injustice well before Ed Buck claimed his second victim.



Although most likely for political reasons, even MAGA republicans were calling out the injustice.



These LBGT advocacy groups preach how LGBT are often victims of violence, yet when it's white LBGT perpetrating violence on Black LBGT AND NOT BEING PUNISHED, can't get so much as a tweet from GLAAD, or any other LBGT organization that's supposed to be ADVOCATING...

It took a second victim and BLACK CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS, which included gay black people, but not one white LBGT organization was involve in bringing Ed Buck to justice. Again, GLAAD, and other LBGT advocacy groups has all this smoke for Dave Chapelle, but couldn't seem to utter a peep against Ed Buck, while he continued to drug and abuse Gay black men.

[The Architect Of Fate]

So no argument just more brainless handwaving and repeating his previous fallacies. Get it through your head Huggy the LGBT community is under no obligation to go after Ed Buck or anyone else and can condemn Dave Dave Chapelle if they want to. This demonstrates nothing and sure as hell doesn't back your deranged idea the LGBT movement is a front white supremacy lol 

[LadyForCamus]

First of all, these two events aren’t similar enough to be considered comparable, so I don’t know what you hope to achieve by doing so. On the one hand, we have a white man and LGBTQ donor on the hook for murdering two gay, black sexual partners, and on the other we have a prominent comedian publicly delegitimizing trans people at time when trans rights are being attacked all over the country. I’m not sure where you think the “gotcha” is. ?

But to answer your question: where were “they?” I don’t know, Huggy. Who is “they?” I know that over 100 protesters gathered at Ed Buck’s door step after law enforcement lagged on pressing charges. So, unless you did a personal background check on every protestor to verify that none of them were LGBTQ, or both black and LGBTQ, you’re pissing in the wind. But more broadly, when you say “they,” do you think the LGBTQ community is some kind of hive mind? Because that sounds exactly like white people saying, in response to police killings of black men, “they don’t even care about black on black crime.” Is that the kind of mentality you’d like to employ?

First of all, black on black crime makes absolutely zero sense because white people that commit crimes against white people isn't referred to as white on white crime. secondly, white people bring up black on black crime to deflect from protests against police brutality. Because A black person that commits a crime is held accountable, while a police officer usually isn't

No shit, Huggy. Talk about stepping on my point like a rake and hitting yourself in the face with it. White people refer to the black community as if it’s some collective hive mind when they say “they” don’t care about X or Y, as a way to deflect from a legitimate issue, as if there are no black people who care about crime within their own communities while also caring about the very real problem of police brutality. The two problems are not mutually exclusive. You’re espousing a similar view of the LGBTQ community; blaming the entire community, as if they’re a collective consciousness, for what you assert is a lack of interest in one problem (violence against BPOC members of the community) in favor of another (delegitimization and dehumanization of trans people), as if individual members of that community can’t and/or don’t care about both. You sound just like a racist white person. 

People were calling out the injustice well before Ed Buck claimed his second victim.

Understandably.

These LBGT advocacy groups preach how LGBT are often victims of violence, yet when it's white LBGT perpetrating violence on Black LBGT AND NOT BEING PUNISHED, can't get so much as a tweet from GLAAD, or any other LBGT organization that's supposed to be ADVOCATING...

GLAAD doesn’t include any BPOC? 

It took a second victim and BLACK CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS, which included gay black people, but not one white LBGT organization was involve in bringing Ed Buck to justice.

What is a “white LGBTQ advocacy group”? Educate me. 

Again, GLAAD, and other LBGT advocacy groups has all this smoke for Dave Chapelle, but couldn't seem to utter a peep against Ed Buck, while he continued to drug and abuse Gay black men.

And as I mentioned previously, there were over 100 protestors at Ed Buck’s house, including many white people from what I saw in the video, so unless you vetted everyone who showed up to express their rightful outrage and can prove none of them were also members of the LGBTQ community standing up for LGBTQ POC then you’re not only pissing in the wind, you’re making sweeping generalizations about members of a community in the same way that white people make sweeping generalizations about the black community. If you take issue with the individual leaders of a particular advocacy group that’s one thing, but this “they” business is just straight up lazy bigotry.

[Huggy Bear]

First of all, black on black crime makes absolutely zero sense because white people that commit crimes against white people isn't referred to as white on white crime. secondly, white people bring up black on black crime to deflect from protests against police brutality. Because A black person that commits a crime is held accountable, while a police officer usually isn't

No shit, Huggy. Talk about stepping on my point like a rake and hitting yourself in the face with it. White people refer to the black community as if it’s some collective hive mind when they say “they” don’t care about X or Y, as a way to deflect from a legitimate issue, as if there are no black people who care about crime within their own communities while also caring about the very real problem of police brutality. The two problems are not mutually exclusive. You’re espousing a similar view of the LGBTQ community; blaming the entire community, as if they’re a collective consciousness, for what you assert is a lack of interest in one problem (violence against BPOC members of the community) in favor of another (delegitimization and dehumanization of trans people), as if individual members of that community can’t and/or don’t care about both. You sound just like a racist white person. 

People were calling out the injustice well before Ed Buck claimed his second victim.

Understandably.

These LBGT advocacy groups preach how LGBT are often victims of violence, yet when it's white LBGT perpetrating violence on Black LBGT AND NOT BEING PUNISHED, can't get so much as a tweet from GLAAD, or any other LBGT organization that's supposed to be ADVOCATING...

GLAAD doesn’t include any BPOC? 

It took a second victim and BLACK CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS, which included gay black people, but not one white LBGT organization was involve in bringing Ed Buck to justice.

What is a “white LGBTQ advocacy group”? Educate me. 

Again, GLAAD, and other LBGT advocacy groups has all this smoke for Dave Chapelle, but couldn't seem to utter a peep against Ed Buck, while he continued to drug and abuse Gay black men.

And as I mentioned previously, there were over 100 protestors at Ed Buck’s house, including many white people from what I saw in the video, so unless you vetted everyone who showed up to express their rightful outrage and can prove none of them were also members of the LGBTQ community standing up for LGBTQ POC then you’re not only pissing in the wind, you’re making sweeping generalizations about members of a community in the same way that white people make sweeping generalizations about the black community. If you take issue with the individual leaders of a particular advocacy group that’s one thing, but this “they” business is just straight up lazy bigotry.

Let me try and make this simple to understand, IT WOULD BE WARRANTED TO POINT AT BLACK ON BLACK CRIME IF BLACK PEOPLE WEREN'T BEING BROUGHT TO JUSTICE.

ED BUCK WAS NOT BEING BROUGHT TO JUSTICE FOR KILLING BLACK GAY MEN, SO IT'S WARRANTED TO CRITICIZE THE SILENCE OF WHITE LBGT ORGANIZATIONS.

got it?

[The Architect Of Fate]

Putting your ridiculous nonpoint in all caps doesn't make it any less a nonpoint. LFC point stands unchallenged.

GOT IT !

[Nay_Sayer]

No shit, Huggy. Talk about stepping on my point like a rake and hitting yourself in the face with it. White people refer to the black community as if it’s some collective hive mind when they say “they” don’t care about X or Y, as a way to deflect from a legitimate issue, as if there are no black people who care about crime within their own communities while also caring about the very real problem of police brutality. The two problems are not mutually exclusive. You’re espousing a similar view of the LGBTQ community; blaming the entire community, as if they’re a collective consciousness, for what you assert is a lack of interest in one problem (violence against BPOC members of the community) in favor of another (delegitimization and dehumanization of trans people), as if individual members of that community can’t and/or don’t care about both. You sound just like a racist white person. 


Understandably.


GLAAD doesn’t include any BPOC? 


What is a “white LGBTQ advocacy group”? Educate me. 


And as I mentioned previously, there were over 100 protestors at Ed Buck’s house, including many white people from what I saw in the video, so unless you vetted everyone who showed up to express their rightful outrage and can prove none of them were also members of the LGBTQ community standing up for LGBTQ POC then you’re not only pissing in the wind, you’re making sweeping generalizations about members of a community in the same way that white people make sweeping generalizations about the black community. If you take issue with the individual leaders of a particular advocacy group that’s one thing, but this “they” business is just straight up lazy bigotry.

Let me try and make this simple to understand, IT WOULD BE WARRANTED TO POINT AT BLACK ON BLACK CRIME IF BLACK PEOPLE WEREN'T BEING BROUGHT TO JUSTICE.

ED BUCK WAS NOT BEING BROUGHT TO JUSTICE FOR KILLING BLACK GAY MEN, SO IT'S WARRANTED TO CRITICIZE THE SILENCE OF WHITE LBGT ORGANIZATIONS.

got it?

Out of curiosity, Can you name one?

[LadyForCamus]

No shit, Huggy. Talk about stepping on my point like a rake and hitting yourself in the face with it. White people refer to the black community as if it’s some collective hive mind when they say “they” don’t care about X or Y, as a way to deflect from a legitimate issue, as if there are no black people who care about crime within their own communities while also caring about the very real problem of police brutality. The two problems are not mutually exclusive. You’re espousing a similar view of the LGBTQ community; blaming the entire community, as if they’re a collective consciousness, for what you assert is a lack of interest in one problem (violence against BPOC members of the community) in favor of another (delegitimization and dehumanization of trans people), as if individual members of that community can’t and/or don’t care about both. You sound just like a racist white person. 


Understandably.


GLAAD doesn’t include any BPOC? 


What is a “white LGBTQ advocacy group”? Educate me. 


And as I mentioned previously, there were over 100 protestors at Ed Buck’s house, including many white people from what I saw in the video, so unless you vetted everyone who showed up to express their rightful outrage and can prove none of them were also members of the LGBTQ community standing up for LGBTQ POC then you’re not only pissing in the wind, you’re making sweeping generalizations about members of a community in the same way that white people make sweeping generalizations about the black community. If you take issue with the individual leaders of a particular advocacy group that’s one thing, but this “they” business is just straight up lazy bigotry.

Let me try and make this simple to understand, IT WOULD BE WARRANTED TO POINT AT BLACK ON BLACK CRIME IF BLACK PEOPLE WEREN'T BEING BROUGHT TO JUSTICE.

It would? That’s interesting coming from a person of color. 

ED BUCK WAS NOT BEING BROUGHT TO JUSTICE FOR KILLING BLACK GAY MEN, SO IT'S WARRANTED TO CRITICIZE THE SILENCE OF WHITE LBGT ORGANIZATIONS.

And for the third time, you haven’t demonstrated that no white members of the LGBTQ community were included in the groups that were demanding justice for Ed Buck’s victims, so your grievance is void. That’s like me saying no black people care about crime in the black community because they only care about police brutality. How are you not getting this? And I’m still waiting for a list of “white LGBTQ organizations.” I didn’t know those were a thing. I’ll ask again; are there no BIPOC in GLAAD?

As I said, if you’d like to leverage a complaint against a particular group leader, then by all means, go ahead. But assigning a suspected motive to an entire community of people is bigotry, whether you like it or not. It’s exactly the same brand of crap we hear from white people about BLM.

[LadyForCamus]

Well, look at this, @Huggy Bear



and:

A coalition of 41 LGBT and allied organizations called for a thorough and independent investigation.

Full article linked below:

https://www.ebar.com/news/latest_news//270680

I’m sorry the facts don’t line up with your feelings. Now the countdown to a goal post shift.