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Why is Jesus in third place when he deserves first?
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RE: Why is Jesus in third place when he deserves first?
Triune god is a diversion. A smoke bomb, to temporarily hide from criticism.
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself — and you are the easiest person to fool." - Richard P. Feynman
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#12
RE: Why is Jesus in third place when he deserves first?
(September 20, 2020 at 5:02 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(September 20, 2020 at 4:10 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Why is Jesus in third place when he deserves first?
 
Jesus says he is doing his fathers will and not his own. This diminishes him.
 
We can curse Yahweh and Jesus, but not the Holy Ghost. This elevates the H G above Jesus.
 
Yahweh created a chimera son and then showed himself to be a deadbeat dad. This reduces him.
 
Jesus died for us while Yahweh shirked his duty to his child. Right?
 
This diminishes Yahweh and elevates Jesus.
 
I think Jesus should be elevated, thanks to those facts.
 
The religions sorely need a judge and logos and using that Jesus archetype and scrapping the Yahweh archetype is what Jesus was trying to tell us.
 
I think Yahweh should take third place. Better still, eliminate third place and the adoration of a genocidal and immoral god.
 
Why is Jesus in third place in the Trinity when he deserves first place, above the genocidal one, unless you see Jesus doing genocide at the end of days?
 
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DL

There are no ‘places’. The Father, Son and the Holy Spirit are three aspects of the same Being. It’s not even a case of split personalities, as some have argued. It’s three parts of one personality. You can have athletic Joe, contemplative Joe, and funny Joe, but there’s still only Joe.

That’s the Catholic answer. The atheist answer is, ‘THIS is what concerns you about Christianity? Seriously?’

Boru

If equal, then they should be thought of as equal, yet we can curse one with impunity but not the other.

That is why their Trinity concept is a stupid one and they should have used the Egyptian one that they likely plagiarized.

Regards
DL
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#13
RE: Why is Jesus in third place when he deserves first?
(September 21, 2020 at 7:55 am)Greatest I am Wrote:
(September 20, 2020 at 5:02 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: There are no ‘places’. The Father, Son and the Holy Spirit are three aspects of the same Being. It’s not even a case of split personalities, as some have argued. It’s three parts of one personality. You can have athletic Joe, contemplative Joe, and funny Joe, but there’s still only Joe.

That’s the Catholic answer. The atheist answer is, ‘THIS is what concerns you about Christianity? Seriously?’

Boru

If equal, then they should be thought of as equal, yet we can curse one with impunity but not the other.

That is why their Trinity concept is a stupid one and they should have used the Egyptian one that they likely plagiarized.

Regards
DL

Equal doesn't mean the same. "Good, fast, cheap -- pick any two!" The two I pick can be equally important, but are definitely not the same.
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#14
RE: Why is Jesus in third place when he deserves first?
The trinity is contended to be three meaningfully distinct beings in one, not three parts of one personality - but also three parts of one personality, and not meaningfully distinct beings. It's a mystery.

Sociologists call it an intentionally confusing ideology. It's a feature, not a bug. People argue about this (christians more so than anyone else) precisely because christian mythology insists that both are true despite being antithetical propositions..and that, was the very meaning of a mystery, for mystery religions. It wasn't about something that we didn't know, but something that we literally couldn't by any means other than revelation. Something impossibly true. Something beyond the ken of human cognition.
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#15
RE: Why is Jesus in third place when he deserves first?
Isn't it obvious that trinity was introduced "later" by, let's say, Romans? - because worshipping three gods was essential part of every pagan religion, and that's why they switched Roman Capitoline Triad of Jupiter (father), Juno (wife), and Minerva (daughter) with invention of Trinity. And yes invention, because word "trinity" is never mentioned in the Bible. And that's why trinity doesn't make sense from many angles.

Romans also seem to have started the worship of Mary by replacing goddess Magna Mater (Cybele) with Mary. And also they seem to have put Christmas on December 25th.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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#16
RE: Why is Jesus in third place when he deserves first?
The romanization of christianity was thorough, had to be that way. They weren't getting anywhere by babbling to a handful of podunks in Nowheresville. Started the moment that pilate washed his hands and put it all on teh joos. In point of fact, there was no christianity before romanization - all of that is referred to as proto-christian or pre-christian. That's where christianity actually begins, in history, as opposed to myth. They introduced the whole bit, not some part of it.

Still, it's not supposed to make sense. It's legitimately intended to be anti-sense. It's a mystery. It's true, we just can't comprehend how it could be.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Why is Jesus in third place when he deserves first?
(September 21, 2020 at 9:07 am)Angrboda Wrote:
(September 21, 2020 at 7:55 am)Greatest I am Wrote: If equal, then they should be thought of as equal, yet we can curse one with impunity but not the other.

That is why their Trinity concept is a stupid one and they should have used the Egyptian one that they likely plagiarized.

Regards
DL

Equal doesn't mean the same.  "Good, fast, cheap -- pick any two!"  The two I pick can be equally important, but are definitely not the same.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostles%27_Creed

This has Jesus beholden or relying on the holy spirit to have Jesus born.

Again, Jesus is shown as inferior to the other two. Even relegated to the seat beside Yahweh.

Strange that one god has tree asses.

Equal is not the same, I agree, but Jesus sure is a useless piece of garbage without help from the other gods.

Regards
DL 

Regards
DL
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#18
RE: Why is Jesus in third place when he deserves first?
That's how demigods work.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Why is Jesus in third place when he deserves first?
(September 21, 2020 at 9:42 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Isn't it obvious that trinity was introduced "later" by, let's say, Romans? - because worshipping three gods was essential part of every pagan religion, and that's why they switched Roman Capitoline Triad of Jupiter (father), Juno (wife), and Minerva (daughter) with invention of Trinity. And yes invention, because word "trinity" is never mentioned in the Bible. And that's why trinity doesn't make sense from many angles.

Romans also seem to have started the worship of Mary by replacing goddess Magna Mater (Cybele) with Mary. And also they seem to have put Christmas on December 25th.

It is obvious to those who think about things and don't just swallow it.

They give up freedom of thought for the tribalism and fellowship.

That desire is quite strong in us and that is why I am happy to see atheists opening what you might recognize as close to what the old mystery schools and religions were. This shows that they know of our tribal penchants and are giving their children a better Church than believers offer.

Many put tribalism above morals. I wish I had a way to kill that mode of immoral thinking.

Regards
DL

(September 21, 2020 at 9:10 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: The trinity is contended to be three meaningfully distinct beings in one, not three parts of one personality - but also three parts of one personality, and not meaningfully distinct beings.  It's a mystery.

Sociologists call it an intentionally confusing ideology.  It's a feature, not a bug.  People argue about this (christians more so than anyone else) precisely because christian mythology insists that both are true despite being antithetical propositions..and that, was the very meaning of a mystery, for mystery religions.  It wasn't about something that we didn't know, but something that we literally couldn't by any means other than revelation.  Something impossibly true.  Something beyond the ken of human cognition.

Yes. A selling feature that allows the con man preacher to show himself superior to the dummy pew sitter.

If god had remained a mystery and Christianity had not gone brain dead and started reading their myth literally, we would not have had to suffer their inquisitions at all.

Regards
DL
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RE: Why is Jesus in third place when he deserves first?
(September 20, 2020 at 4:10 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Why is Jesus in third place when he deserves first?
 
Jesus says he is doing his fathers will and not his own. This diminishes him.
 
We can curse Yahweh and Jesus, but not the Holy Ghost. This elevates the H G above Jesus.
 
Yahweh created a chimera son and then showed himself to be a deadbeat dad. This reduces him.
 
Jesus died for us while Yahweh shirked his duty to his child. Right?
 
This diminishes Yahweh and elevates Jesus.
 
I think Jesus should be elevated, thanks to those facts.
 
The religions sorely need a judge and logos and using that Jesus archetype and scrapping the Yahweh archetype is what Jesus was trying to tell us.
 
I think Yahweh should take third place. Better still, eliminate third place and the adoration of a genocidal and immoral god.
 
Why is Jesus in third place in the Trinity when he deserves first place, above the genocidal one, unless you see Jesus doing genocide at the end of days?
 
Regards
DL

in that middle eastern culture at that time the oldest son or the first born son took the role of executor of the father's estate. he basically did the will of the father. As does Jesus does the will of his father. He does this because that is his role in the trinity. why? because he knows his role and is content living it. just like i am content in my limitations and role. while you may only see the limits placed on me i know i have progressed much further than if i were to try and do all of this on my own. It is better to be the servant/slave of a rich man who watches out and cares for you than to be given the illusion of freedom by an evil one who wants you to fail. The story of joseph comes to mind he served the pharaoh of egypt so well pharaoh made him second in command of the whole country. he had free reign over the whole country and ruled as if it were his.. only pharaoh himself could over rule joseph the slave of the great and mighty.. where as his supposedly 'free brothers' (who sold him into slavery) starved and had to go to joseph to survive.
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