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RE: open minded to opinions
October 2, 2020 at 12:39 am
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(October 1, 2020 at 11:16 am)tackattack Wrote: Asking most atheists about immaterial or supernatural things, is like asking a dog to meow. It's not in the personal landscape of possibilities or most of their definitions.
This could have a supernatural explanation. Maybe Jesus was pushing that plate because Jesus was judged by Pilate which is a very close an almost-anagram of 'plate'. I mean if you remove letter "i" from Pilate you get "plate" and in ancient Greek, Jesus is spelled with an "i" - Iesus.
And it was on a table during a meal - and meal preceded Iesus' meeting with the Pilate so it all makes sense. Jesus was probably saying to you "It's me, Jesus" by moving that plate. Or maybe Jesus was trying to warn you by pushing that plate toward some person who will soon betray you.
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RE: open minded to opinions
October 2, 2020 at 6:18 am
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I can't figure out what a ghost plate is supposed to do with atheism. Somebody wants to claim that they saw stoneware move. Fine, and?
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RE: open minded to opinions
October 2, 2020 at 8:28 am
(October 1, 2020 at 11:16 am)tackattack Wrote: Asking most atheists about immaterial or supernatural things, is like asking a dog to meow.
Asking tackattack to say anything intelligemt on well established phenomena is like asking a goldfish to ride a bicycle. It will never happen.
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RE: open minded to opinions
October 2, 2020 at 4:33 pm
(September 30, 2020 at 8:27 pm)bluelily Wrote: Okay, I was a sceptic before and still am a agnostic and...in my life for the first time I saw a saucer moved on it's own like long enough for me to see, please don't say it's my imagination or a mental detect because it ain't. I have witness whom was there with me and they saw the same as well. No window was open, the table weren't wobbly and...the surface of the table weren't wet. So how did it move on it's own? it's like a hand just grab it and moved it. I would like sceptics views and atheist because I do understand atheist views about god and why we shouldn't believe in him but at the same time I'm not sure about life after death because I just seen the saucer moved. any thoughts I would appreciate?
Sounds like a cheap parlor trick to me. Have you considered the possibility that you were being pranked by one or more of the witnesses?
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RE: open minded to opinions
October 2, 2020 at 4:41 pm
(October 2, 2020 at 4:33 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote: (September 30, 2020 at 8:27 pm)bluelily Wrote: Okay, I was a sceptic before and still am a agnostic and...in my life for the first time I saw a saucer moved on it's own like long enough for me to see, please don't say it's my imagination or a mental detect because it ain't. I have witness whom was there with me and they saw the same as well. No window was open, the table weren't wobbly and...the surface of the table weren't wet. So how did it move on it's own? it's like a hand just grab it and moved it. I would like sceptics views and atheist because I do understand atheist views about god and why we shouldn't believe in him but at the same time I'm not sure about life after death because I just seen the saucer moved. any thoughts I would appreciate?
Sounds like a cheap parlor trick to me. Have you considered the possibility that you were being pranked by one or more of the witnesses?
If the saucer was wet underneath, it could literally be floating on a pocket of trapped air. Or, vibrations in the earth from construction or earthquake. But yes, pranking is also a possibility. Or power of suggestion.
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RE: open minded to opinions
October 2, 2020 at 5:02 pm
I am curious why anyone would be sitting at a table with a saucer on it all of it's lonesome. Seems an odd thing to do.
I am also curious why "plate" is being mentioned at all. OP clearly said it was a saucer. Where did "plate" come from?
I am further curious if anyone else has noticed just how malleable this whole thing is. We now have a schism between those who claim a saucer and those who claim a plate.
Welcome to how christianity actually works. In a couple of days we already have a schism about the detail of an utterly pointless claim. What would happen in centuries? Would the saucerists go to holy war with the platists? Probably.
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RE: open minded to opinions
October 2, 2020 at 6:33 pm
If you sleep in the same house as bedeviled tableware, you already have your answer.
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RE: open minded to opinions
October 3, 2020 at 9:03 am
(October 2, 2020 at 4:41 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote: (October 2, 2020 at 4:33 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote: Sounds like a cheap parlor trick to me. Have you considered the possibility that you were being pranked by one or more of the witnesses?
If the saucer was wet underneath, it could literally be floating on a pocket of trapped air. Or, vibrations in the earth from construction or earthquake. But yes, pranking is also a possibility. Or power of suggestion.
And "lying". Always an option.
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RE: open minded to opinions
October 3, 2020 at 9:53 am
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(October 2, 2020 at 12:39 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: (October 1, 2020 at 11:16 am)tackattack Wrote: Asking most atheists about immaterial or supernatural things, is like asking a dog to meow. It's not in the personal landscape of possibilities or most of their definitions.
This could have a supernatural explanation. Maybe Jesus was pushing that plate because Jesus was judged by Pilate which is a very close an almost-anagram of 'plate'. I mean if you remove letter "i" from Pilate you get "plate" and in ancient Greek, Jesus is spelled with an "i" - Iesus.
And it was on a table during a meal - and meal preceded Iesus' meeting with the Pilate so it all makes sense. Jesus was probably saying to you "It's me, Jesus" by moving that plate. Or maybe Jesus was trying to warn you by pushing that plate toward some person who will soon betray you.
Your answer isn't helpful and not funny. I came for opinions not jokes.
(October 2, 2020 at 5:02 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: I am curious why anyone would be sitting at a table with a saucer on it all of it's lonesome. Seems an odd thing to do.
I am also curious why "plate" is being mentioned at all. OP clearly said it was a saucer. Where did "plate" come from?
I am further curious if anyone else has noticed just how malleable this whole thing is. We now have a schism between those who claim a saucer and those who claim a plate.
Welcome to how christianity actually works. In a couple of days we already have a schism about the detail of an utterly pointless claim. What would happen in centuries? Would the saucerists go to holy war with the platists? Probably.
The saucer weren't on it's own dummy, it happened in a tourist cafe place in Rochester Kent in England. We had tea, there was cups and a saucer with it.
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RE: open minded to opinions
October 3, 2020 at 11:48 am
(October 3, 2020 at 9:53 am)bluelily Wrote: (October 2, 2020 at 12:39 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: This could have a supernatural explanation. Maybe Jesus was pushing that plate because Jesus was judged by Pilate which is a very close an almost-anagram of 'plate'. I mean if you remove letter "i" from Pilate you get "plate" and in ancient Greek, Jesus is spelled with an "i" - Iesus.
And it was on a table during a meal - and meal preceded Iesus' meeting with the Pilate so it all makes sense. Jesus was probably saying to you "It's me, Jesus" by moving that plate. Or maybe Jesus was trying to warn you by pushing that plate toward some person who will soon betray you.
Your answer isn't helpful and not funny. I came for opinions not jokes.
(October 2, 2020 at 5:02 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: I am curious why anyone would be sitting at a table with a saucer on it all of it's lonesome. Seems an odd thing to do.
I am also curious why "plate" is being mentioned at all. OP clearly said it was a saucer. Where did "plate" come from?
I am further curious if anyone else has noticed just how malleable this whole thing is. We now have a schism between those who claim a saucer and those who claim a plate.
Welcome to how christianity actually works. In a couple of days we already have a schism about the detail of an utterly pointless claim. What would happen in centuries? Would the saucerists go to holy war with the platists? Probably.
The saucer weren't on it's own dummy, it happened in a tourist cafe place in Rochester Kent in England. We had tea, there was cups and a saucer with it.
The saucer shook for some reason you're not aware of in a place you're not exactly familiar with enough to know all its ins and outs. Therefore ... ?
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